典韦护操 - 华工象棋论坛

据《三国演义》中记载：典韦是曹操的王牌护卫。在一次战斗中，曹操大军被敌军围困，形势十分危急。只见无数军马，各抵长枪，抢入寨来，曹操眼看就要被擒。韦奋力向前，以身躯护卫曹操，砍死二十余人。马军方退，步军又到，两边枪如苇列。韦身无片甲，上下被刺数十枪，兀自死战，而曹操乘机逃脱。要说舍身救主，排第一的还得是典韦。典韦为了让曹操尽可能的撤离，爆发了巨大的能量，挡住了敌马军、步军的连番进攻，死后还令敌兵不敢近身，诠释了一出最可歌可泣的舍身救主之精神！本局中，黑车、红车都是在最关键的时刻为护驾而战死。颇具典韦之气。

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2008-9-16 22:55

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-16 23:05
红一将一捉，红要变着。

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-16 23:12

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-16 23:16
不对，黑方的两步棋都是杀，应该是双方不变作和。
中国现在的棋规比较麻烦，也不是很合理。就拿这个棋例来说，如果是比赛，红方棋手可能没注意到黑方的“暗杀”，但裁判员解释棋规，就把棋都给说明了。

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2008-9-16 23:21

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-16 23:32
怎么赢呢？他车杀底士了。

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-16 23:37

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-16 23:41

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-16 23:46

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-16 23:55

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 00:42

回11楼，好象这时已经不一样了，比如这样变化下去红优。

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作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 00:43
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作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 00:46

QUOTE:

以下是引用棋人ctq在2008-9-17 0:42:00的发言：

回11楼，好象这时已经不一样了，比如这样变化下去红优。

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黑速胜啊。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 00:50
第13楼第11回合红是不是应该走车三平四，将4退1。车四退四，变化见12楼。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 00:53
对，是这样。得再研究。

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 00:56
你退车不对，黑卒4进1即可杀。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 06:41

修改成下图，好象和。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 06:45
其中14-17回合红虽然是一将一捉，而黑两步都有杀的作用，应从重定为两杀，所以可判和棋。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 07:03

红方这样走可以避免棋规的争议。

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 07:07

这样黑选择吃相的变化就是红优了。

作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-17 09:36
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作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-17 09:40
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作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-17 10:21
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 10:27

蛟川鱼棋友,你说得对,选择下面这一路变化如何,有待研究.

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 10:28
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作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 10:36
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作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-17 10:43
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 10:47
26楼与24楼一样.是对的.现在看25楼这路变化怎么样?

作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-17 10:49
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 11:04
谢谢大家讨论,看来还得修改棋图.由此可见江湖类棋局要有深度又想一次成功确实不容易.

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 15:53

修改成这样如何?请大家再看看.

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作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-17 16:32

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黑方还有些机会

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 16:34
红兵没有联手，恐怕难免被各个击破。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 16:46

33楼,黑无胜望.

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作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 16:52
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作者: hzsjy 时间: 2008-9-17 16:55

QUOTE:

以下是引用语苛经历在2008-9-17 16:52:00的发言：
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红相下七路．

或１７着进帅．

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作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-17 17:02
是的，难胜。

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-17 17:54

33楼红还可以选择这样的变化,黑无杀.

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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2008-9-18 09:12

没看到后面的帖子

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-18 09:43

谢谢大家的讨论.现在对前面的内容作一小结:

1\原图黑胜.(黑选择吃红相的变化).

2\第一次修改图联吟客先生提出红可以守和.其变化在广智网列出.稍后贴出.

3\第二次修改图,可以和,暂时没有相反意见.以上都不是最后结论,希望大家不吝指教.十分感谢.

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-18 09:50

这是联吟客先生指出的可以和的一路变化(其中还有些小的变化未列),我比较赞同.不知大家认为如何?

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2008-9-18 09:52

这样行不行？

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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2008-9-18 10:13

黑胜了

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[此贴子已经被作者于2008-9-18 10:18:43编辑过]

作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-18 10:19

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同前变，黑可胜。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2008-9-18 10:23

改成这样如何？

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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2008-9-18 10:27
标题: 回复：（蛟川鱼）[DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com...
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-22 17:11

本局也是我很久前试作的江湖形排局,不过都是草稿.通过在本网和广智网的讨论,我想定形为下图.因为修改的第二图,红有一种变化可以形成红胜.谢谢大家的赐教.

作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-22 17:45

QUOTE:

以下是引用棋人ctq在2008-9-18 9:50:00的发言：

这是联吟客先生指出的可以和的一路变化(其中还有些小的变化未列),我比较赞同.不知大家认为如何?

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-22 21:56

如果12回合红选择这样的变化，产生的结果红能否求和？

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作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-23 09:10
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-23 09:36
51楼,第6回合红车五平二,黑难求和.

作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-23 11:20
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[此贴子已经被作者于2008-9-23 17:47:55编辑过]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-23 17:53
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作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-23 19:57
最后还是和局！！

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-9-23 20:43:51编辑过]

作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-24 09:15

黑方这样还有无胜机?

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作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-24 09:47
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-24 11:32
56楼黑略优,57楼17回合红炮二进一.黑无胜望.

作者: 蛟川鱼 时间: 2008-9-24 11:45
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-24 16:29

对,59楼黑可胜.看这样变化怎么样?

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-25 16:25

这样也是一路变化.

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