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标题: 关于《老卒征东》的一些最新研究 [打印本页]

作者: zhiqihuang 时间: 2013-8-24 21:52
标题: 关于《老卒征东》的一些最新研究
我把著名江湖排局《小征东》的黑边象换为底卒，成为《老卒征东》这一则有意思的形似着不似的仿局。曾经在一些论坛对该局有过粗浅讨论，认为大致可以和棋。我最近对这局的变化深入研究，发现黑方可以取胜。但该局变化之复杂不在小征东之下，我水平有限，思虑必有不周之处。现把详细变化列出请各位高手讨论指正，看这局结论是否确为黑胜。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8699999939999999758384994199663199999999509999995299403779994899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]zqhuang乱改江湖谱[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]zqhuang作老卒征东[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8353525384545383414050513141514175454151454883863949868754243747483887572429796949395141666569592920473738484131203057776564594948493738303877273835272939382949[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]4140504075454050835352538454534386805051314143414548414880303727303848475458796958486959380847374838514108055949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_31_3]485831415859474859493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_31_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_25_5]666547373848413165645747488831416454594929494749[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_25_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]选自《zqhuang乱改江湖谱》||||本局把黑方边象换成了8路底卒，解法则与原局完全不同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]正着。||||如果套用小征东脱帽方式则最后黑多一底卒可以轻松取胜。请自行验证。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_34]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment40]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment40] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_2]4846796946565141564641514656514156464151465651415646415146368687543437473656514156464151341487571418695939385949666547373848493965645759[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_21_7]54648688[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_21_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]红方一将一要抽吃底卒，按现代棋规必须变招[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_30_9]87473437514137074707364641513949[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_30_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]红优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_37_10]1419695966655754463647481929594929495459[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_37_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_46] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_8]4030695929275756272956463831414231344757666559492949464939385758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_6]405069593831414231304737666557473040423240473738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_6] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-8-24 22:10
19回合車3平4

作者: sdj 时间: 2013-8-24 22:31
举例 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8699999939999999758384994199663199999999509999995299403779994899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]zqhuang乱改江湖谱[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]zqhuang作老卒征东[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8353525384545383414050513141514175454151454883863949868748415152414337475458876743535242493947375343425239493747[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]选自《zqhuang乱改江湖谱》||||本局把黑方边象换成了8路底卒，解法则与原局完全不同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]正着。||||如果套用小征东脱帽方式则最后黑多一底卒可以轻松取胜。请自行验证。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_11]79694939473739493747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_11][DhtmlXQ_comment11_24]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_24][DhtmlXQ_comment28]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28] [DhtmlXQ_move_11_22_1]6959393887884347885838395856[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_22_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-8-24 22:54
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8699999939999999758384994199663199999999509999995299403779994899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]zqhuang乱改江湖谱[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]zqhuang作老卒征东[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]83535253845453834140505131415141754541514548838648467969465686885636888754343747[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]4140504075454050835352538454534386805051314143414548414880303727303848475458796958486959380847374838514108055949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_31_3]485831415859474859493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_31_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_25_5]666547373848413165645747488831416454594929494749[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_25_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]选自《zqhuang乱改江湖谱》||||本局把黑方边象换成了8路底卒，解法则与原局完全不同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]正着。||||如果套用小征东脱帽方式则最后黑多一底卒可以轻松取胜。请自行验证。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_34]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_40] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_2]3949868754243747483887572429796949395141666569592920473738484131203057776564594948493738303877273835272939382949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]红方一将一要抽吃底卒，按现代棋规必须变招[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]红优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_30_9]87473437514137074707364641513949[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_30_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_37_10]1419695966655754463647481929594929495459[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_37_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_8]4030695929275756272956463831414231344757666559492949464939385758[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_6]405069593831414231304737666557473040423240473738[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_17]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_7]51415657[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_7][DhtmlXQ_comment16]好像應這樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_24]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_24][DhtmlXQ_move_7_17_4]564641514656514156464151465651415646415146368687543437473656514156464151341487571418695939385949666547373848493965645759[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_13_21_11]3949695949393738[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_21_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_13]54645141564641516469885839493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_13][DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]54345141564641514636883839496959[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: zhiqihuang 时间: 2013-8-25 11:12
举例 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [/quote] 嗯这样好像可以……多谢孙老师！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-8-25 13:42
很好

作者: yjr123 时间: 2013-8-25 14:00
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]8699999939999999758384994199663199999999509999995299403779994899[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_event]zqhuang乱改江湖谱[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_title]zqhuang作老卒征东[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]江湖排局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]83535253845453834140505131415141754541514548838639498687484151524143374743535242545747484939878857588858535848583938[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]4140504075454050835352538454534386805051314143414548414880303727303848475458796958486959380847374838514108055949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]选自《zqhuang乱改江湖谱》||||本局把黑方边象换成了8路底卒，解法则与原局完全不同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]正着。||||如果套用小征东脱帽方式则最后黑多一底卒可以轻松取胜。请自行验证。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D31350%23lastpost[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-8-25 14:14
再添邊卒, 是否成立?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-8-25 14:23
變著須修正

作者: yjr123 时间: 2013-8-25 15:39

聨吟客发表于 2013-8-25 14:23
變著須修正

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-8-25 20:21
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8699999939999999758384994199663199999999509999995299403779994803[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]zqhuang乱改江湖谱[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]zqhuang作老卒征东[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]83535253845453834140505131415141754541514548838639498687484151524143374754588767435352424939473753434252394937474353524249390304666504056564676453434252434764693938696847575242575505065556060756577969574742524707685838395848076769794030484667605251604046403040[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_53]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_53] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_40_1]25356252424153434131435331415343413143533141534341314353[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_40_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_69]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_69] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_61]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_61] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_60_2]69592747[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_60_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_37_3]646315256362676253434252434762693938696847575242575525265556262756577969574742524727685838395848276769794030484667605251604046403040[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_37_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_4]05155343425264544757545352515352[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_4][DhtmlXQ_comment36]須提前吃兵[/DhtmlXQ_comment36] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_57]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_57] [DhtmlXQ_comment65]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment65][DhtmlXQ_move_0_56_6]69590747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_56_6] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-8-26 11:12
這樣更緊湊,余兄的走法就不能和了

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-9-3 13:06
補充

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8699999939999999758384994199663199999999509999995299403779994823[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]zqhuang乱改江湖谱[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]zqhuang作老卒征东[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]835352538454538341405051314151417545415145488386394986874841515241433747545887674353524249394737534342523949674743473747581823241819242519792526797626276665273765645242764637386454475746435758544442324434324234444252445452425444[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_1]43535242545747484939878857588858535848583938584838372324666524256564252664542636[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_57]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_57] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_56_2]69592747[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_56_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_65] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_37] 和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment57]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment57][DhtmlXQ_comment4_48]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_52]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_52] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]4232394967474347374758382324383924256665252665643242645447484959263639793646797346567353566653136667131867575444[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8][DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37] [DhtmlXQ_move_10_36_9]25357976[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_36_9][DhtmlXQ_comment10_48]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_53]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_51] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_12]3747666579694333324249396959334342523938676543476568584823244745[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_34_13]575843476959[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_34_13][DhtmlXQ_comment13_36]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_36] [DhtmlXQ_move_12_31_14]5868675768585767586823246564[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_31_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_12_34_15]4737334342323949[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_34_15][DhtmlXQ_comment15_37]還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_37][DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_43] [DhtmlXQ_move_12_38_16]676843476858383758554743[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_38_16][DhtmlXQ_comment12_43]應和[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_43][DhtmlXQ_move_8_35_10]39792526797626276665273765643738764647576454575854443848[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_35_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_38_11]26276454272854447969396928384434384849394737696832423444[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_38_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_46_17]464773534241405041425060[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_46_17][DhtmlXQ_comment17_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_51][DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_3]37474353524249392324666524256564676453434252434764693938696847575242575525265556262756577969574742524727685838395848276769794030484667605251604046403040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_5]25357976[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_4]524265644748495927377646374746484748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_6]37386454384849394737767852425444[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_7]6454474849593747767347577353576753136768[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_7] [/DhtmlXQ]

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