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标题: 目前最长连照胜局诞生 [打印本页]
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-9-20 06:01
标题: 目前最长连照胜局诞生
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2014-2-28 11:18 编辑
漫谈目前最长连照胜局诞生
文/孙达军
一、题外闲谈
2010年初偶然一个机会看到华工象棋论坛，这是我复出重新玩排局的主要原因。车炮排局是我复出有空玩排局的一个主要方向，虽然过去拟了一些小作，但总感觉这个方面潜水不深，有素材可继续挖掘，包括连照胜局、非连照胜局、和局。在整理提高过去一些车炮排局同时，发现和构思了一些新的素材，整理成局，得到各位良师益友的鼓励和肯定。2013年上半年有幸在原已拟出双车双炮限子排局《超俗绝世》92回合连照胜局基础上拟出《破天荒》105回合连照胜局，终于使红方四攻子连照胜局首次走进100回合（特长连照胜局），是一个突破。“南昌行”之后，又提高到112回合。局名有点夸大，这是对自己辛苦、认真拟局的一种肯定，自我安慰。看事容易做事难，成如容易却艰辛，该系列局不知道花费了多少的日日夜夜，不知道牺牲了多少的脑细胞，不知道摆了多少种方案，有成功的暂时喜悦，有失败的暂时失落。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment223]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment223]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]宋·孙光宪《北梦琐言》第四卷：“唐荆州衣冠薮泽，每岁解送举人，多不成名，号日天荒解。刘蜕舍人以荆解及第，号为‘破天荒’。”||唐朝时期，荆州地区50多年没有举人到京城应考中过进士，因此被称为“天荒”，直到唐宣宗时期，有一个荆州举人刘蜕中了进士，破了天荒。荆州魏国公崔铉特地奖励他70万钱。刘蜕不受并回信说：“五十年来，自是人废；一千里外，岂曰天荒。”
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二、大胆预测
凡事预则立，不预则废。2013年“八一建军节”，钟志康、周平、王方权、孙达军四位棋友相聚南昌，聊天时，本人请三位良师益友欣赏双车双炮限子排局《破天荒》，我们一致认为既然纯双车双炮可以拟到100回合以上，那么从理论上说，还有更长的连照胜局存在。非常感谢周大哥的盛情邀请、款待，愉快、难忘的相聚，使我有幸能与钟老师、方权兄面对面畅谈中国象棋排局的“一二三”。
在8月9日，我在学校工作，休息时通过QQ与王兄交流《破天荒》提高局，王兄鼓励我“用这一型你争取破155回合，那将是举世无双！”也许是限子排局的概念束缚了我的思路，我马上回答“不现实，最多是22回合抽吃一子，并且22回合抽吃一子只有个别情况，加上几匹马是可以破154回合”。王兄回应“加四匹马破200回合都没问题？”有了这次交流后，我们怀着好奇、憧憬继续探索车炮类型局，是不是有重大的突破。
三、分头行动
由于录制百二十五，再加上开学比较忙，直到中秋节的前一天，聊到该局进展情况，王兄对我说“已拟出140回合”，当时由于同事找我有事，只回了“厉害”，王兄回应 “看看能否超160回合”，以后断断续续也聊了其他事情。
下午放学后，因为我在探索过程中只拟出131回合，设置了红方二·六位红兵（不但使横向抽吃黑方1•4黑马从原来纯双车双炮限子的22回合增加到30回合，而且为纵横抽吃所有黑子后，最后入局需要34回合、42回合、45回合三种主要模式奠定了基础），黑方1·1位黑炮（穿插说明：该局中设置黑炮可增加16回合，在有二·六位和八·六位双红兵设置障碍的前提下，只可以增加8个回合，红方扫清障碍子后，最后入局时，左边红车和右边红车红炮左右呼应，红方右车必须在横坐标二路线上，否则因为黑方有底炮防守，红方因胜而败。其他为什么这么设置请参阅相关棋局，请有心人慢慢品味），所以我非常好奇的心情与王兄通话，得知“140回合成立，146回合协杀力不够”，我说“是不是将棋图传给我”，王兄回答“在外面，等回到家里再传给你”。可是那天晚上我很迟回到家里，没有与王兄联系上，趁着酒性，大概用了几个小时在131回合基础上提高到149回合，感觉上升空间很大，黑方协杀力设置问题是比较伤人脑筋，因为红方双车双炮太灵活、太强大，为了提高回合，一不小心，考虑不周，就会造成红方非连照速胜。
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四、中秋团圆
中秋节上午，我在华工象棋论坛发了一新贴“连照红方不失子胜局有新的突破”，龚伟兄跟贴“精益求精，节节胜利！”，下午13点40分，王兄跟贴“有新突破！”，然后发了新帖“车炮逞雄”（该局140回合设置了红方八•六位红兵，与纯双车双炮112回合的《破天荒》相比：开局增加了2个回合，其实至少可增加3个回合，我在8月9日与王兄交流时，就提到可以改成双车双炮一红兵对黑方16子，115回合。减少纵向抽吃一个黑卒，减少4回合。增加了横向抽吃一个黑卒，增加了22回合。最后入局34回合，增加了8个回合），下午14时50分，我与王兄通话，我说“已拟出149绝对是成立，157、159等等回合局面已发现”，实际纯连照杀165回合以上。
一天来苦苦思考黑方的协杀力问题，晚上亲戚聚餐，也是第一个离场独自回家，感觉155回合的连照胜局黑方协杀力设置有问题，也及时与王兄以通话和短信方式取得联系，叫王兄尽快看看我发在华工象棋论坛橘中秘排局研究会版块中排局，能否成立？能否破记录？回到家里，就直奔电脑，幸好赵殿忠兄在线，请赵兄帮忙校对，经我们校对一致认为协杀力设置有问题，这时已到深夜1时左右。我略作休息后，终于在2时左右调整出比较满意的黑方协杀力。差不多这时候，王兄外出有事回到家里上网了，阅读后，灵感顿现，在3时左右，终于将俩人最好构思组合在一起，拟出161回合，并且我们认为还可提高。由于王兄一天在外，比较累，聊到四点多钟，就下线去休息，只好我一个人在分析161回合是否还可提高。
9月20日凌晨六点一分发了一新帖“目前最长连照胜局诞生”。凌晨七点多钟，终于提高了一个回合，为后来王兄再提高开了一个好头。王兄休息后，在162回合基础上，灵机一动，将一•六红兵换成红马，这样可以使一红兵直接投入开局，增加开局弃兵三个回合，9月20日12时12分发了165回合的《车炮逞雄》。
165回合构成：纵向抽吃第一个子21回合+纵向抽吃第二个子12回合+纵向抽吃第三个子10回合（要注意为什么变成10回合，而不是12回合）+横向抽吃第一个子20回合+横向抽吃第二个子30回合+横向抽吃第三个子30回合+入局42回合。
这过程中，我不断探索其他模式，9月20日上午11时左右构思出红方双车双炮一兵152回合，设置了黑方2•5位黑马（当时也曾考虑过设置3•5位黑马，因为不能用92回合的《超俗绝世》开局，所以没有深入下去，犯了一个重大的错误），黑方3路两黑炮防守取代了黑车防守。 9月21日下午到学校值日，通过QQ发给秦臻兄，请他帮忙能不能提高开局，秦兄化了几个小时，最后回复，说无法突破165回合。当天晚上19时51分，发了164回合，加了注释“该局虽然没有165回合，但至少说明五攻子连照胜局，可以拟到152回合及以上。当晚又构思九•六位红马模式，拟了158回合和全子局148回合的棋局，9月22日将158回合提高到159回合（后将148回合和159回合两局输入到残局库）。”
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作者: 667 时间: 2013-9-20 09:08
祝贺祝贺
作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-9-20 09:36
如果成立，我们都是历史记录的见证人！能见证这一刻是我们的幸福！
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-9-20 10:04
昨晚辛苦赵兄了！
作者: 高原红 时间: 2013-9-20 10:25
本帖最后由 高原红 于 2013-9-20 10:27 编辑
达军：你将三路车前移一步黑方协杀力就太弱了红方可不连杀速取胜！只有设在3、8位此局才成立！！
作者: hujing0816 时间: 2013-9-20 10:26
相当期待！
作者: 平原一刀 时间: 2013-9-20 10:45
祝贺两位老师的突破！！161回合那局的133回合着法好象重复了。
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-9-20 11:05
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-9-20 11:13 编辑
这是该局微妙之处。不是重复，必须要这样。也是该局一个特点吧!因为黑有底车，红方必须通过两次联车运转，这样就可增加回合。
是的，输入有错误。
作者: 高原红 时间: 2013-9-20 12:12
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2013-9-20 12:16
又增3回合新的长照纪录！165回合！
作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-9-20 12:54
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-9-20 15:26
为何必须要底线红马？
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-9-20 15:36
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-9-20 16:06 编辑
没有底线马黑方协杀力不够，因为怕红方双车演变到六路和七路，用七路车吃掉黑车，六路车防止黑方双卒杀。有了红马障碍，黑方可以走卒5平4杀。
作者: yanyun 时间: 2013-9-20 16:26
高原红 发表于 2013-9-20 12:12 
作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-9-20 16:37
本帖最后由 一二三加油 于 2013-9-20 17:23 编辑
排局史上新的里程碑，此模式的产着率如此之高，来源于红纵横炮在各自的三线都能繁复照将和红双车在纵横方向都能轮流照将，扫清障碍的次序有条不紊，红5.1位马设置的好极大地提高了黑协杀力。
值得祝贺！
作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2013-9-20 19:20
恭喜2位,创出佳局,这才是真正的高峰.
作者: 外星人乔丹 时间: 2013-9-20 19:24
一二三加油 发表于 2013-9-20 16:37
排局史上新的里程碑，此模式的产着率如此之高，来源于红纵横炮在各自的三线都能繁复照将和红双车在纵横方向 ...
我说了，当代排局除了江湖棋局在数量上没有古代排局多，其他体裁及特色排局都远胜于古代排局！这个论点应该没有错！祝贺方权、达军又攀高峰！！！
作者: 古婺 时间: 2013-9-20 20:04
太牛了！ 热烈庆祝王方权 孙达军两位老师创造排局史上的辉煌！
作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2013-9-20 21:45
高原红 发表于 2013-9-20 12:12
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再登巅峰，热烈祝贺！
作者: zzk132 时间: 2013-9-21 09:21
祝贺！！！长照局新的模式，长照165回合成功诞生！这是象棋排局的魅力。这是两位排局家化了多少心血，让人无法想象的日日夜夜枯燥日子的结果。
祝贺并见证了王方权、孙达军两位棋友联手合作的成果诞生！
作者: 炎与夜 时间: 2013-9-21 11:02
红方双车双炮如此强大的威力，竟然没有迅速入局，从运子步调都是车炮方面的纵横驰骋，九宫车、九宫炮难以杀透，最后的杀法都不是形成抽杀，而是雪压梅花似的盖杀，这一点也很难得，具有排局高度的艺术性。
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-9-21 19:51
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-9-29 17:48 编辑
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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2013-9-21 23:06
惊叹万分、无以言表。
作者: τ.半路浅唱 时间: 2013-9-21 23:31
l厉害、厉害，有志者事竟成。
作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-9-22 06:11
此模式的黑协杀力刚够强，属于红在任何时刻靠走冷着都吃不透黑一步就杀的一种，双炮双车纵横交错，着法细腻，黑方顽强抵抗，杀法才如此之长，笔者预言此类局还有拓展空间，定能突破165回合大关！
作者: ymjily 时间: 2013-9-22 08:07
本帖最后由 ymjily 于 2013-9-22 13:17 编辑
恐怕还没有可以难倒孙老师的难题
作者: zbz719 时间: 2013-9-22 10:50
天才加勤奋=无敌
恭喜二位大师~
作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-9-22 15:50
此最长连照胜排局模式应是我辈能见最长连照胜排局模式甚至是终极最长连照胜排局模式！
作者: 1963 时间: 2013-9-22 18:25
本帖最后由 外星人乔丹 于 2013-9-23 11:06 编辑
孙达军，当代排局界的一位奇才！天赋+勤奋+执着+刻苦，辅以现代科技，创造出了排局的一个又一个神话！敬佩！敬佩！祝贺！再祝贺！！！
作者: 667 时间: 2013-9-23 00:48
创造出排局创作的一个又一个神话！敬佩！
作者: 外星人乔丹 时间: 2013-9-23 11:11
我们很幸福，生活在排局大繁荣、大发展的年代，见证了排局界的许多辉煌，见证了超越古局体裁的许多作品！数风流人物，还看今朝！！！
作者: hzsjy 时间: 2013-9-23 12:58
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因无变着可参考，第9回合黑如走士5退6会如何？
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-9-23 22:14
已发现170回合的，继续研究。
作者: 平原一刀 时间: 2013-9-23 22:18
真厉害，越攀越高！
作者: 平原一刀 时间: 2013-9-23 22:18
真厉害，越攀越高！
作者: 邪之牙 时间: 2013-9-23 23:16
祝贺！厉害！佩服！
作者: 667 时间: 2013-9-24 03:17
见证奇迹的时刻
作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-9-24 05:57
周运栋 发表于 2013-9-23 22:14
已发现170回合的，继续研究。
被我言中了吧，见证奇迹的时刻就要到了！如没有周软这一题材不可能研究的这样深入，周先生使用周软不知有何心得或技巧。
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-9-24 21:16
吹牛滴，170回合是我瞎编的。
作者: 高原红 时间: 2013-9-26 00:21
170回合是有的，就是黑方协杀力不好解决！！
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-2 04:30
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-10-2 10:14 编辑
纯连照杀可以有两种模式179回合和180回合，但这两种模式下的167和168均因协杀力不足。
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-2 09:55
经赵兄校对，认为协杀力足够。并遵照赵兄建议，将协杀很难设置的局也贴出，征求各位良师益友的好注意、好点子。
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作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-2 09:57
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-10-2 12:02 编辑
协杀难题？
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作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-10-2 22:41
顶，，，我也研究了一番，无进展。
今天看到两位的新作，才发现海阔天空，尚有无限未来。
顶贴！
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-10-2 22:44
三路黑马，没想到啊！又是一片天地！
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-3 00:02
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-10-3 00:44 编辑
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作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-10-3 05:24
无论《威武之师》的登顶还是直行兵种最长照新格式的突破孙先生都表现出了无人能及的才华，他才是真正意义上的特级排局大师，向勇攀高峰的孙达军先生致敬！
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-3 09:26
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-10-3 09:31 编辑
谢谢各位良师益友鼓励与鞭策！
能拟出这样局，主要是两个因素：一是幸运；二是工夫下得深。
周兄的玩笑实现了。
作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-10-3 10:33
宋·孙光宪《北梦琐言》第四卷：“唐荆州衣冠薮泽，每岁解送举人，多不成名，号日天荒解。刘蜕舍人以荆解及第，号为‘破天荒’。”
唐朝时期，荆州地区50多年没有举人到京城应考中过进士，因此被称为“天荒”，直到唐宣宗时期，有一个荆州举人刘蜕中了进士，破了天荒。荆州魏国公崔铉特地奖励他70万钱。刘蜕不受并回信说：“五十年来，自是人废；一千里外，岂曰天荒。”
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-3 14:51
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]破天荒（173）/孙达军拟局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_339]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_339]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_339]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_339]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]破天荒（170）/孙达军拟局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_345]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_345]
[DhtmlXQ_comment345]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment345]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-10-3 15:21
太讚了
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-10-3 20:27
我预测，至此已艰有进展。
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-10-3 20:44
我前面也感觉到3路黑马那个点是个要地，可惜啊，就没想到那里可以放个黑马，来替换黑边炮。
作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-10-4 05:03
周运栋 发表于 2013-10-3 20:27
我预测，至此已艰有进展。
如何进一步解决好黑协杀力的设置问题，此局还有提高的空间。
作者: hujing0816 时间: 2013-10-4 10:13
本帖最后由 hujing0816 于 2013-10-4 10:14 编辑
精彩！双车双炮的反复照将犹如眼花缭乱的舞步，真是排局的艺术！
作者: 外星人乔丹 时间: 2013-10-4 11:23
sdj 发表于 2013-10-3 14:55
破天荒，头一回，牛人有牛作！再创历史，再铸辉煌！！！
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-5 08:53
不知转了几大圈，还是红炮要在三路。
作者: sdj 时间: 2013-10-5 10:28
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2013-10-5 10:31 编辑
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[DhtmlXQ_comment345]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment345]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment345]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment345]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]破天荒（170）/孙达军拟局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: τ.半路浅唱 时间: 2013-10-5 10:55
破天荒，天外天。
作者: 古婺 时间: 2013-10-6 21:47
太厉害了！ 前无古人啊！
作者: dave7788 时间: 2013-10-10 22:20
神奇！最重要的是没有模仿以前出现过的三种长连照模式（即林幼如前辈、马行义先生、邓伟雄先生所首创的模式），以创新的着法打破了最长连照胜局的纪录。
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-10-13 23:13
黑杀力充分的局，目前什么结果？
还是有研究空间的，大家加油！
作者: 周运栋 时间: 2013-10-13 23:14
如果步数到365，，那每天走一步，岂不是要一年？
作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2013-10-14 12:18
现在距离一年的目标已经不远了。周软的出现为连照胜局突破奠定了坚实的基础，说不定哪一天就能突破一千零一夜。
作者: 基地市长 时间: 2013-10-19 17:40
眼花缭乱!
作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-10-19 17:59
本帖最后由 一二三加油 于 2013-10-19 18:04 编辑
基地市长 发表于 2013-10-19 17:40 
眼花缭乱!
李先生2004年我和您通信时记得您在深圳。
他们开启了一种新型的车炮纵横交错的抽子新模式特长连照局的研究，非常好看的空间大战，贵在新的抽子模式的发现，是天才的发现，发现者是功臣，这种模式的可贵之处在于可以让连照延长到极致，黑势让人放心，象棋排局的终极型特长局，
作者: 基地市长 时间: 2013-10-19 18:21
一二三加油 发表于 2013-10-19 17:59
李先生2004年我和您通信时记得您在深圳。
他们开启了一种新型的车炮纵横交错的抽子新模式特长连照局的研 ...
任老师：您好！
2004年我是在深圳工作，2005年底被派来珠海，一直至今。
现在已落户珠海了。
作者: 基地市长 时间: 2013-10-19 18:25
一二三加油 发表于 2013-10-19 17:59
李先生2004年我和您通信时记得您在深圳。
他们开启了一种新型的车炮纵横交错的抽子新模式特长连照局的研 ...
这就是艺术，为要占个位置，绕了一大圈。
心底直认是天才之作！
作者: 一二三加油 时间: 2013-10-20 07:18
基地市长 发表于 2013-10-19 18:25
这就是艺术，为要占个位置，绕了一大圈。
心底直认是天才之作！
是这样，他们借助于周软，如此高深莫测，没有周软是难以想象的！
作者: 奇蹟三號 时间: 2014-5-18 22:53
有棋友問我：
他問：吃最后一个７路卒时比前面少了两个回合，存疑。
我一知半解答：分別是黑方上士、下士，吃最後一個卒時，紅變成低頭車，所以黑方前著可先下士。
他答：连续抽吃几个卒，前面都是完全一致，最后一个怎么会少两回合？问题出在第58回合黑士５退６，应该士５进６！然后红车二退一，这样就多两回合！这才符合“红速胜，黑迟负”的原则。请指教是否如此？
勞煩代解，謝謝！
作者: sdj 时间: 2014-5-18 23:59
奇蹟三號 发表于 2014-5-18 22:53
有棋友問我：
他問：吃最后一个７路卒时比前面少了两个回合，存疑。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_124]下接主变第65回合，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_124]
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作者: 奇蹟三號 时间: 2014-5-19 12:51
好的，唔該哂！謝謝！
作者: 局外人2012 时间: 2014-6-6 16:28
还能更长吗？
作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-23 15:03
神作！奇迹！目前排局界的珠穆朗玛峰！这样的帖子应该长期置顶！
作者: 667 时间: 2014-9-23 15:39
华工象棋论坛的LED广告牌上有推荐，点LED广告牌上的文字可以直达帖子。
自己认为好的帖子，还可以在帖子的1楼点收藏。
作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-25 10:55
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-9-25 12:21 编辑
667 发表于 2014-9-23 15:39
华工象棋论坛的LED广告牌上有推荐，点LED广告牌上的文字可以直达帖子。
谢谢您的提醒。
我记得看到过一篇帖子，说这局棋若按2011规则来判怎么怎么的啦，我的愚见是：即便是2011年规则也不属于待判局面，理由是重复局面（其实并不是重复局面）有了本质性的变化，并非没有意义的重复（每一个重复都有实质变化，根本不是待判局面）！如果非要用2011规则的话，只能是限着（60回合不吃子判和，但这是排局，不像对局那样，有对手所剩时间不多时提出限着）啦。
作者: sdj 时间: 2019-4-6 19:02
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兵的位置摆错了
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