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火烧连营系列之单兵连营变招探讨

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发布时间: 2013-9-20 20:20

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先上标准原图 此帖中所说网上指的是东萍网与中国象棋排/残局数据库,我的拆解均未在以上两个网站中出现,所以若与您的相同纯属巧合,绝非抄袭!

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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-6 23:46:31
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yjr123 发表于 2013-10-6 09:00:56
连营系列的硬伤就是棋规问题,单兵局的正解应该是将4退1变例:

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[DhtmlXQ_comment34]红方长捉黑卒,即使按亚规也判红方必须变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_33]红方长要抽黑卒,应该变着,但按亚规则判不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_33]
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-5 14:50:07
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沉默 发表于 2013-10-5 03:23:56
双兵连营,有些陌生了
聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-4 12:48:58
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-4 11:46:11
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-4 11:15:14
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-2 13:09:41
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-2 12:56:21
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-2 12:37:18
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zhiqihuang 发表于 2013-10-2 05:49:23
修飾一下 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [/quote] 多谢
聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-2 02:22:05
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-1 17:03:14
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聨吟客 发表于 2013-10-1 16:47:01
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zhiqihuang 发表于 2013-10-1 10:10:48
只同意小部分讨论内容,主要分歧在于(1)将4进1变化仍是黑胜,弃兵战术并不成立。(2)将4退1变化是和棋( ...[/quote] 发现大漏招 那单兵连营黑胜的棋谱正着是怎样的?哪位有书的帮忙查下! [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6499999959996599418274999999991499994299309999999984993847487899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]火烧连营系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2013-9-20[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]Toronto[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]火烧连营[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]433[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]public_xq[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]64604260826260427470484959498444495944416260303160614140654738484765406070713132141342201323324223336065334342327170658570408545406020424342324261654555606155586562586861216869212869682829[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_45_1]656645856636314163437868364685454383413146364535[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_45_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_2]43333242406042416165204260634264655564825565413163434555656678686636314136465545438341314636453533233585[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3]61646065717565557565424123332042644442646566786866465545441464421444426444146442[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_27_4]71736555644455537375535575735553[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_27_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_29_5]73637879646555546364424123332042646342606364608264635484[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_29_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_6]654738484765418165877868[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_7]82806082654784807470786841518264515030317074685850584858595831417478808878388838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_8]82804858595878685859686959583848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_7_9]59494748[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_7_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_10]65473839643484348289394989493439[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11]4151426482806482808438398489787951543949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_12]6065132342646141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_13]3130717360656141422073432042430342200308656808076869070869680807686707087879080967690907696807096869[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_13] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_14]717460656163655574445553636553556563555344647879233353586468585063604241333250546064200268664140666754146766022464652442654514444565443465454030456542606564608264653484[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_39_15]33434232646858516361510168673231616631306661010261622042433302016261304033324260676601046164608264650484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_39_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_15_59_16]67600100[/DhtmlXQ_move_15_59_16] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_49_18]3231022466672442646642606664608264665484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_49_18] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_51_17]323114546766022466672442646642606664608264665484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_51_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_59_19]323142606564608264653484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_59_19] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_61_20]32313031663634844535314135454131453531413545413136867969[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_61_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]红方长将,不变作负,黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_34] 红炮长要抽吃中卒,如按现代棋规,红方不变作负;如按民间惯例,也不允许长要抽吃,所以应由红方变着,红方不变作负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_38]![/DhtmlXQ_comment5_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_8]闷杀,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_10]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_44] [DhtmlXQ_move_12_25_22]23333242334342326141654541616482[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_25_22] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_25]以下红有兵七平六抽吃花心卒的手段,和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_25]这是以前网上流传的着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment47]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment47] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_35_21]60107868[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_35_21] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_23]62726869[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局又名“单兵连营”,是一则在民间流传很广的江湖排局。最早刊于1959年上海文化出版社的由瞿问秋、杨明忠合编的《民间象棋排局选》(第13局)[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]
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zhiqihuang 发表于 2013-9-21 01:12:16
只同意小部分讨论内容,主要分歧在于(1)将4进1变化仍是黑胜,弃兵战术并不成立。(2)将4退1变化是和棋(最后那个图是和棋吧?) 在排/残局数据库做了相应更新: [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6499999959996599418274999999991499994299309999999984993847487899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]火烧连营系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2013-9-20[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]Toronto[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]火烧连营[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]433[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]public_xq[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]6460426082626042747048495949844449594441626030316061414065473848476540607071313214134220132332422333606533434232717065857040854543333242406042416165204260634264655564825565413163434555656678686636314136465545438341314636453533233585[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_45_1]656645856636314163437868364685454383413146364535[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_45_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_2]406020424342324261654555606155586562586862726869[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3]61646065717565557565424123332042644442646566786866465545441464421444426444146442[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_27_4]71736555644455537375535575735553[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_27_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_29_5]73637879646555546364424123332042646342606364608264635484[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_29_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_6]654738484765418165877868[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_7]82806082654784807470786841518264515030317074685850584858595831417478808878388838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_8]82804858595878685859686959583848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_7_9]59494748[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_7_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_10]65473839643484348289394989493439[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11]4151426482806482808438398489787951543949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_12]6065132342646141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_13]3130717360656141422073432042430342200308656808076869070869680807686707087879080967690907696807096869[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_13] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_14]717460656163655574445553636553556563555344647879233353586468585063604241333250546064200268664140666754146766022464652442654514444565443465454030456542606564608264653484[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_39_15]33434232646858516361510168673231616631306661010261622042433302016261304033324260676601046164608264650484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_39_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_15_59_16]67600100[/DhtmlXQ_move_15_59_16] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_49_18]3231022466672442646642606664608264665484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_49_18] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_51_17]323114546766022466672442646642606664608264665484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_51_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_59_19]323142606564608264653484[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_59_19] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_61_20]32313031663634844535314135454131453531413545413136867969[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_61_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]红方长将,不变作负,黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_34] 红炮长要抽吃中卒,如按现代棋规,红方不变作负;如按民间惯例,也不允许长要抽吃,所以应由红方变着,红方不变作负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_38]![/DhtmlXQ_comment5_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_8]闷杀,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_10]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_35_21]60107868[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_35_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_44] [DhtmlXQ_move_12_25_22]23333242334342326141654541616482[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_25_22] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_25]以下红有兵七平六抽吃花心卒的手段,和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_25]这是以前网上流传的着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]此变和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment20]取胜要着[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局又名“单兵连营”,是一则在民间流传很广的江湖排局。最早刊于1959年上海文化出版社的由瞿问秋、杨明忠合编的《民间象棋排局选》(第13局),原谱着法为和局,经深入研究,应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_44] [/DhtmlXQ]

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