欲擒故纵···邢春波拟局

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-22 20:55:52

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zhaodi · 发表于 2013-11-26 12:51:41

拆解的是和棋。

★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-26 13:08:23

这一局无人回帖不是因为容易，实在是找不到获胜的方法： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9912995949999999999999016672809940990230524160999999996499999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]欲擒故纵···邢春波拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]726252516261515012310224807060820111244211214224594824424857422349592342595842243143244243554132213142245563404361515040637143535150535031304030715030405071244271634260[/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment42]以下红难取胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment42] [/DhtmlXQ]

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-26 19:20:15

这一局无人回帖不是因为容易，实在是找不到获胜的方法：[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9912995949999999999999016672809940990230524160999999996499999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]欲擒故纵···邢春波拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]726252516261515012310224807060820111244211214224594824424939[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]以下红难取胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_42] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]4857422349592342595842243143244243554132213142245563404361515040637143535150535031304030715030405071244271634260[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1][DhtmlXQ_comment15]应平帅六路[/DhtmlXQ_comment15] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-11-27 14:39:15

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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-27 16:12:22

[/quote] 20回合将5平6是劣着。黑将应尽量避免走到6路。

yjr123 · 发表于 2013-11-27 19:03:10

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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-27 19:28:44

这一局无人回帖不是因为容易，实在是找不到获胜的方法：[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]欲擒故纵···邢春波拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9950995758999999999999667099999999992432409982999999996499999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5748[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]5062[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]||这个局面也是红胜，以下两变皆可取胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-27 19:46:28

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yjr123 · 发表于 2013-11-27 20:27:28

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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-27 20:39:32

我拟的着法，也不是最佳的取胜之法[/quote] 这样如何取胜？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9912995949999999999999016672809940990230524160999999996499999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]欲擒故纵···邢春波拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]726252516261515012310224807024420111608259484260112160424939826031436082435541322131422455634043615150406371435351505350313040307150304050712442715240305273303173618260485931306173303173526082527131307163426063513031394932417060826051433130[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_1]4050524432414463826048575040637141327060[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_2]4041485741515271514139494140[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_44_3]4131715031415042[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_44_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4]43333949335351505350313040307150304049593241506224426254422454334130334524424553426048394050594960425374426074625051628130417060[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_50_5]304159494030534130404948[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_50_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_6]42205433413048393041595841303352405058482042527150407163[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7]404261515040637132417060423239493231715282605231413231122402120030410021403021024152022332415161608223443031446331306382[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_75]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_75] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_47]红得象胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_59]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_59] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_55]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_55]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_55] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_60_8]6042436242606241604241624260625031304948608250713031715231324849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_60_8] [/DhtmlXQ]

★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-27 20:42:55

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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-27 20:43:14

这样如何取胜？[/quote] 红接走马五退三吃卒

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-27 20:52:26

[/quote] 那是我原来拟的着法，您的拟着准确

★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-27 23:53:43

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-11-28 11:25:54

之前已有一局“浅海困龙”，现在有搞出一局“欲擒故纵”。我就知道楼主在耍花招————虽然两局相似，起手着法肯定是不同的。但是拆解到后面，变化实在复杂，我无力研究下去，只有等待其他棋友的回复和答案了。
本帖发表了好几天，终于有人回复了，讨论的还挺热烈，但讨论好像还没有结束。我大致看了一遍，还没搞清楚，所以也无法参与讨论，只能旁观和期待了。

yjr123 · 发表于 2013-11-28 12:44:37

迟暮寒士发表于 2013-11-28 11:25
之前已有一局“浅海困龙”，现在有搞出一局“欲擒故纵”。我就知道楼主在耍花招————虽然两局相似 ...

以这个着法为基础，提出你的疑问，大家一起讨论
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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-28 12:56:54

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2013-11-28 13:05 编辑

迟暮寒士发表于 2013-11-28 11:25
之前已有一局“浅海困龙”，现在有搞出一局“欲擒故纵”。我就知道楼主在耍花招————虽然两局相似 ...

根据前面讨论结果总结一下：走到这个局面，帅不管在左中右路都行，红马也可以随便跳，只要不送吃，就算绕赤道走一圈也能再转回来，所以红胜是没有问题的。
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-11-28 22:52:52

★星海★ 发表于 2013-11-28 12:56
根据前面讨论结果总结一下：走到这个局面，帅不管在左中右路都行，红马也可以随便跳，只要不送吃，就算绕 ...

该局面前面的着法都是官着，容易探寻和理解。该局面以后的着法，繁琐复杂，如果事先不给出红胜的结论，我想绝大多数人是没有信心继续往下研讨的。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-11-28 23:10:49

yjr123 发表于 2013-11-28 12:44
以这个着法为基础，提出你的疑问，大家一起讨论

看了你这局着法之后，基本理解了该局的全部着法。再回头看看上面几局，也明白了本局的探讨过程。
之前看到一下突然出现很多探讨局，搞不清之间的关系，没能很好地理解其中所述内容，所以难免存在疑云，不是疑问。看了你最后这一局，疑云基本散尽。

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