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标题: 排局研究------【联吟客】的“导弹互访”局 [打印本页]
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-10 08:45
标题: 排局研究------【联吟客】的“导弹互访”局
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]导弹互访【陈明仁】[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-10 10:20
邊卒可再排進一步 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999999941405020999942603804999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局)[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-10 15:20
（先分析1#、黑卒在原位的棋局，如果分析有误，再研究2#、黑卒提前一步的棋局）对1#局面的分析，着法分为六种，如下所述： 第一种着法： 红方首着进边兵，最终用边兵进击黑方老巢。 黑方应对措施：进中炮，压死红炮，边卒长驱直入。 结果：红劣黑胜。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法1：首着进边兵[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]868542468584030484740405696305157464151664541617545317275352272852514642[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0] 第1种着法：红方首着进边兵，意欲用边兵进击黑方老巢。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑方进炮直接压死红炮，防止红方再节外生枝。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [DhtmlXQ_comment7]红方要想向里拢兵，必须把三路炮升到前面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7] [DhtmlXQ_comment11] 如果走三路炮，平一或平五，也阻止不了黑卒进杀。黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑胜定||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 第二种着法： 红方首着进三路炮压死黑炮，最终用边兵捉死黑方7路炮。 黑方应对措施：进中炮，压死红炮，边卒长驱直入。 结果：红劣黑胜。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法2：首着进三路炮[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]69614246868503048584040584740515747315257372252672712627717027287060282960702939[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第2种着法：|| 红方首着进三路炮，意欲用边兵捉死黑方7路炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment2] 黑方直接进炮压死红炮，不让红方有变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [DhtmlXQ_comment20]红方迟一步，黑胜。||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 由以上两种着法得出结论，如果黑方中炮压住红方中炮，黑方就可毫无顾忌地进卒取胜。因此，红方要想取胜或求和，首着只有进中炮试一试了。中炮进到什么位置，也是关键。 也请对该局有兴趣的棋友分析讨论。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-10 17:06
再一局,下圖應紅勝局 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699992699999941405099999942600338999923[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]导弹奇兵【陈明仁】[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-10 17:57
又發現2樓好像不行,黑勝了
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-10 18:22
又發現2樓好像不行,黑勝了[/quote] 如果2#的局势不行，那么我对1#局面研究分析的结果就应该是正确的了。 楼下继续继续介绍对1#局面所做的着法分析。
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-10 18:37
（接3# 继续叙述1#棋局的着法） 3#已经叙述了，红方首着进边兵或进中炮，这两种着法都是输棋，只有进中炮试一下了。 第三种着法： 红方首着进中炮，压死黑方中炮，最后红兵可以吃掉黑中炮，也可垫在中路红炮的后面加强中路防御。 黑方应对措施：边卒只管长驱直入。 结果：红劣黑胜。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法3：首着进中炮[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]47430304868504058584051584741525696325267464262764542728545328295352293952423949[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]54442829636260616266616566696568[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第3种着法：|| 红方首着进中炮，压死黑炮，意欲用边兵捉死黑方中炮，或者前炮后兵垫在中路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment20]黑卒吃掉红帅，黑胜。||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 如上棋盘着法所示，红方首着进中炮压死黑炮也不行，那就与黑炮留一个格的间距再试一试。实践证明，这种着法可行，如果黑方应对不当就会输棋，应对得当，结果正和。 第四种着法： 红方首着进中炮，与黑方中炮间距一格，准备在中路架重炮。 黑方应对措施：中炮进一步，阻止红方在中路摆重炮。 结果：中炮被红兵捉死，黑劣红胜。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法3：首着进中炮[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]474403048685040585840515847415256963252674644243645426275453434244432728535228295242[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]26276343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第4种着法：|| 红方首着进中炮，与黑袍间隔一格，意欲在中路摆重炮。|| 黑方进中炮应对----红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]红胜||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 第五种着法： 红方首着进中炮，与黑方中炮间距一格，准备在中路架重炮。 黑方应对措施：进7路炮，阻止红方在中路摆重炮。 结果：7路炮或中路炮，二者必被红兵捉死其一，黑劣红胜。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法3：首着进中炮[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4744030486850405858405158474606774641516645416265453262744432728535228295242[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1]606374736362737262616962151672716160626116177170172770602728607028296160[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_2]62634443151672621626625226275242[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第5种着法：|| 红方首着进中炮，与黑袍间隔一格，意欲在中路摆重炮。|| 黑方进7路炮应对----红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment19]红胜||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_19]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_19] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 不要忽略了，黑方还有一个底象。 第六种着法： 红方首着进中炮，与黑方中炮间距一格，准备在中路架重炮。 黑方应对措施：3路象飞到河口保护中炮。 结果：换炮，正和。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法3：首着进中炮[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]47440304868504058584051584741525696325267464200263430224646360804442244248578081[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1]645426275453272844432829[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第4种着法：|| 红方首着进中炮，与黑袍间隔一格，意欲在中路摆重炮。|| 黑方方飞象保炮----和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment20]可能和棋||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 1#棋局着法分析叙述完毕
作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-3-10 19:34
着法3

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]第3种着法：||   红方首着进中炮，压死黑炮，意欲用边兵捉死黑方中炮，或者前炮后兵垫在中路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-3-10 20:09
（接3# 继续叙述1#棋局的着法） 3#已经叙述了，红方首着进边兵或进中炮，这两种着法都是输棋，只有进中炮试 ...[/quote] 第六种着法 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法3：首着进中炮[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]47440304868504058584051584741525696325267464200263430224646360804484[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1]645426275453272844432829[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第4种着法：|| 红方首着进中炮，与黑袍间隔一格，意欲在中路摆重炮。|| 黑方方飞象保炮----和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_20]可能和棋||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_2]4442244248578081[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_2][DhtmlXQ_comment17]||||||应拦炮，红方优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-10 21:15
着法3[/quote] 从你所指出的错误可知，红方第5步可直接炮三进八压死黑炮，更快一步和棋，红方显得宽松易行，这样的结局不太理想，是个缺点。 按9楼邢春波老师所指正的着法，本局应是红胜，取胜着法还有点波折，还算理想，这就弥补掩盖了红方宽松易和的的缺点
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-10 21:28
再一局,下圖應紅勝局[/quote] 根据邢春波老师所指正的着法，原局应是红胜，4楼的局面也是同样着法，为红胜。好像与后添加的对头兵卒无关。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 01:33
炮進三是我沒想到的,但紅也未必能勝,看來2樓4樓還要重新研究,9 樓紅也未必勝,另黑還有變化: [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994769318699999999992041405099999942600338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]導彈互防(陳明仁擬局) 着法3：首着进中炮[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]47446066[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_13_1]645426275453272844432829[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_13_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第4种着法：||   红方首着进中炮，与黑袍间隔一格，意欲在中路摆重炮。||   黑方方飞象保炮----和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_20]可能和棋||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_17_2]4442244248578081[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_17_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]||||||应拦炮，红方优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_3]0304868504058584051584741525696325267464200263430224646360804484[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_3][DhtmlXQ_comment2]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 01:55
2樓也起個頭
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-11 03:37
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-11 01:33
炮進三是我沒想到的,但紅也未必能勝,看來2樓4樓還要重新研究,9   樓紅也未必勝,另黑還有變化:

      第五种着法（黑进7路炮应对），第4步有个变着（炮7进7）。12#黑首着炮7进6，应与之相同，红兵捉死黑中炮，红胜。
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-11 03:59
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-11 01:55
2樓也起個頭

     按照我上面的分析，第四种着法和第五种着法中，黑进中炮或进7路炮应对，红方刚好快一步取胜，如果把黑边卒排前一步，黑方刚好快一步胜。除非红方还有我没有想到的着法。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 05:33
2樓應可確定黑勝
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 05:38
遲暮兄的第五種走法有誤
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 06:01
或許仍應以炮五進四為正解
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 06:34
炮五進三走法修飾,可能也可和
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-3-11 08:04
首着红方炮五进四是正解，如进三，黑方可炮5进1，以后运黑象到中路，黑可胜。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 09:54
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-3-11 10:15
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-11 09:54

21楼再接走士5进4、士6进5，红方就完全没有手段了，坐以待毙。
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-11 10:48
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-3-11 10:57 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-11 09:54

红首着走炮五进三，黑方胜了。
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我原以为炮五进三这条道还有一点奥妙，没想到被“一剑封喉”给封死了，就不要再打“炮五进三”的注意了。
看来以 18#为正着了，结果和棋。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 10:51
嗯多謝余兄,還有遲暮兄,邢兄,4樓我是要作紅勝局,但不知能否保持唯一勝法,大家認為呢?
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-11 11:17
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-11 10:51
嗯多謝余兄,還有遲暮兄,邢兄,4樓我是要作紅勝局,但不知能否保持唯一勝法,大家認為呢?

原计划的取胜着法是怎样的？列出来看看，能否帮你实现。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 19:47
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-11 20:19
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聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-11 19:47

我还没有注意到，2#局面去掉了黑象。

你看一看，下面这局结果如何？
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-11 23:26
沒有象炮五進三也能和,所以還是有象為佳
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 00:10
再弄一局,可走成黑稍優的複雜變化,不曉得紅能和否?
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-12 01:26
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-3-12 02:26 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-11 23:26
沒有象炮五進三也能和,所以還是有象為佳

我们苦苦追求，反复探索，最终未果。突然发现，它就在我们身边：这个局面最简洁的棋局，不正是我们想要找的吗！？

着法：红先胜
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如果红方首着走炮五进三，黑则炮7进7，结果黑胜，你已经在17#说明了。
此局如何？是否如愿？




作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 08:17
沒有象,炮五進三,炮7進7是和局,30樓走法有意思,不過我最喜歡的是黑稍優的和局,這是我主要的努力探索方向,紅勝局祇是附帶的調劑而已
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 08:21
29樓應可和,現在再把象擺上去,紅方謀和難度增大, 不知是否可以滿意呢?
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 08:43
樓上不行,黑勝
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 09:01
呵呵,看來和局就以29樓作收,我還算滿意,紅勝局可以30樓交差(原來有對頭兵卒的也不錯), 這些局的局面只輕鬆改自古局,但走法與風格完全不同,投機取巧的改局效果有時也令人吃驚 ,呵呵呵,算抄襲或模仿或創作?我就不知大家怎麼看了,用個折中的詞稱作再創是吧?
作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2014-3-12 09:21
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-12 08:17
沒有象,炮五進三,炮7進7是和局,30樓走法有意思,不過我最喜歡的是黑稍優的和局,這是我主要的努力探 ...

后边的好！江湖艺人的思维！！！
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 09:35
一卒擎天 发表于 2014-3-12 09:21
后边的好！江湖艺人的思维！！！

謝謝,一個人的精力時間有限, 只能選擇較有興趣的來搞,我的寬緊紅勝局數量很稀少, 連殺局比前者稍多但也作不長, 和局是比例最高的,另也曾對先走者敗作了幾局, 呵呵,無論哪一種偏好的作者讀者我也都尊重
作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-3-12 11:00
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]    黑如果走炮7进1，红则士五退六，与主着相同，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]    现在的局面双方欠行，先行者不利。现轮黑行，黑无奈走卒3平2，结果黑输棋。||    如果现在轮红方走，红兵六平七，黑将5平4，红兵七平六，黑将4平5，双方不变，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]红胜。||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-12 11:21
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-3-12 11:39 编辑

回复29#（无象）棋局着法：
     29#虽然添加了3路黑卒，看似增加了攻击力量，实际上并没有增加任何优势，红方根本不用理睬之，且士帅炮都受困，也没办法理睬之。如果黑卒吃士寻求杀棋。反自寻烦恼，引火烧身。     注：第2步红有两种走法，一是直接压死7路黑炮，另一是与黑炮间隔一格。

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至于黑方有象的局面，我还在考虑。

37# “一剑封喉” 剑法犀利，一招致命。要想破解这着剑法，可以把一路兵和1路卒向前排一步，也可以把三路炮和7路炮向前排一步。




作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 12:17
迟暮寒士 发表于 2014-3-12 11:21
回复29#（无象）棋局着法：
     29#虽然添加了3路黑卒，看似增加了攻击力量，实际上并没有增加任何优势， ...

卒吃士可黑稍優,紅須小心謀和,29樓已列出走法了呀
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 12:21
37樓黑走法妙,那前面幾局紅都不行了,唯 29樓兵有過河是否能應付呢?
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-12 12:31
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2014-3-12 12:33 编辑
迟暮寒士 发表于 2014-3-12 11:21
回复29#（无象）棋局着法：
     29#虽然添加了3路黑卒，看似增加了攻击力量，实际上并没有增加任何优势， ...


原來如此,炮三進七變化,七路兵至底線,黑就不宜吃士,和 法單純多了
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-14 10:46
33樓還很難說,繼續研究......
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-14 11:07
紅勝局就採用下圖
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-14 16:49
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-3-14 16:56 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-14 11:07
紅勝局就採用下圖

     红方巧妙取胜 的局势也可以采用下面的形式，黑方可以退一步炮，所以比30#的形式还多一回合。这个形式与“双炮禁双炮”形式极其相似（红兵由九路移至一路），熟知“双炮禁双炮”人看了之后，还以为摆错了，很容易让人误解。就像“炮顶炮”一样，我第一眼看上去，还以为就是“双怕禁双炮”局，只不过是把九路兵移到三路，1路卒移到7路而已，着法应该与“双炮禁双炮”形同。双炮禁双炮、炮顶炮，导弹奇兵这三局可成为姐妹三局。
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红方被动求和 的局势还没确定，我还在想，看看能不能找到满意的结果。



作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-15 18:40
42樓黑方的各種變化,我還未發現黑有取勝之道,不知各位有何高見呢?
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-16 09:39
聨吟客 发表于 2014-3-15 18:40
42樓黑方的各種變化,我還未發現黑有取勝之道,不知各位有何高見呢?

     黑方有象的局面，不论象在什么位置（1路、3路），末尾也不论红兵在什么位置（六路、七路），红方都很容易守和，并不处于被动地位。
      
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-16 11:05
我認為紅須小心才能和,符合我的期待
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-16 11:25
單兵巧和炮士象,殘局庫應該有,頗為細膩,紅稍不慎就會輸,可不像單兵對炮士那麼單純是很有江湖味的一種局面
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-3-16 16:13
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-3-16 16:23 编辑

有象局，走到结尾，可有下面四种形式，都是红先行。如果红方只想求和，很容易。

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第三种形式 ：
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[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999994361314499999999992441405099999942602948999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]61696061443429396939484959584939343361313332311132422442434741524777[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]和棋||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]


第四种形式 ：
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]C-导弹奇兵（象在3路。兵在七路）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam]
[DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam]
[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999994361214499999999992441405099999942602948999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]616960612131293969396131393531114434[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]和棋||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]


47#是第四种形式，红方首着退炮为好，可避免黑卒换炮。



作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-3-16 19:36
嗯,我也發現了,修飾一下,唉唉,未能達到我期望的標準
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999994361214499999999992441405099999942602948999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]C-导弹奇兵（象在3路。兵在七路）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]61696061213129396939613139353132356540304434[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]和棋||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_1]44341119[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_1][DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2]31113565403065603031606141526111424443484440[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]這樣簡明[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9][DhtmlXQ_comment11]黑無優勢[/DhtmlXQ_comment11][DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]可能稍有變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D32274%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D2[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-4-11 18:28
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-4-11 18:35 编辑

此贴研究所得红胜棋局结果如下：
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]C-炮顶炮 导弹奇兵（18-）【陈明仁】[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam]
[DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam]
[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994849599999994768318699999999999941405099999942610338999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]47430304868504058584051584741525686325267464262764542728544428296362616062612919483919295948291949591929595829195857192957472919473738283130[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]   如果黑方升7路炮过河，不让红方进七路炮，红则继续走兵二平三为最佳（也可兵二进一），红兵先到，吃掉黑中炮，先杀，红速胜。||   如果黑7路炮只进一步，红则继续走兵二进一，下一步再进一，以下要么捉死黑中炮，要么兵炮配合捉死黑7路炮，红速胜。||   ||   ||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]   红方要想向里靠兵，必须先升起三路炮。升到什么位置，很关键，决定胜负。||   如果红方升炮压住黑炮，走至第9步，红方会因欠行而输棋。||   现红炮升至与黑炮间一格的位置，走至第10步，会使黑方欠行，结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]   黑方欠行，迫于无奈，只好走卒3平2.[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]


暂时未得到理想的和棋排局。

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这是古谱局“曹操逼宫”，红先行，红胜。[attach]7987[/attach]

这是网友在本站上传的棋局，局名作者不详，红先行，和棋。
[attach]7988[/attach]


这是 本帖研讨所得棋局“捣蛋奇兵”，红先行，红胜。

作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-4-11 18:52
这是古谱局“曹操逼宫”、“长亭短亭”，红先行，红胜。


这是网友上传到本站的棋局，作者局名不详，红先行，和棋。


这是 本帖研讨所得棋局“捣蛋奇兵”，红先行，红胜。



以上三局棋局用子相同，布局相似，着法和结局迥然不同。


作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-4-11 19:19
迟暮寒士 发表于 2014-4-11 18:52
这是古谱局“曹操逼宫”、“长亭短亭”，红先行，红胜。

第2局也是红胜吧。



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