对二炮争功的研究及诠正

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-5-10 20:31:05

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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]《象棋民间排局》修订本中的着法，结果黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]黑方新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_22] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_26] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_10] 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老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-20 00:44:25

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2021-3-20 00:51 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2021-3-19 22:26
找到了

这局不就是"走马联营"吗？图势完全相同，“又进行了创作”是什么意思？《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权最早的棋谱。那个鞠发友又是何方大师，怎么从来没听说过。

yjr123 · 发表于 2021-3-18 19:31:33

这样能和吗？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]原来认为是求和唯一正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]黑方优势，红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
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bh22wsc · 发表于 2014-11-5 10:45:07

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-11-21 15:02:38

菜鸟来玩认为10回合炮四进三可和，黑方用炮打相，红方仍难守。

sdndsx · 发表于 2014-9-17 09:55:59

邢春波先生的这个主题很有价值，如果探索出正确结论，那就是功德无量的事！

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-5-10 23:26:17

就是这个江湖残局，三十多年前，一个老头在我们县城摆残这局局，我输给他一元钱。之后，我和同学们天天研究，一个学期过去了，我和同学们又陆续输给他好几元钱，也没搞懂。后来，接触到棋书，才知道象棋这种玩意也和数理化一样，也有书籍讲座。在书上看到这局棋，太难了，当时根本没能力接受。

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-15 16:02:10

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-8 18:26
这样怎么和？

最后黑方马炮多卒胜定。

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-8 18:26:03

xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-7 08:48
软件跑到，还请曾老师审阅

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]破象黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-7 09:32:42

xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-7 09:13

收到，学习中

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-7 09:13:42

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xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-7 08:48:27

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26
能否贴出着法学习一下

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xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-6 23:07:13

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26
能否贴出着法学习一下

明天吧，但不一定能走到这局面了

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26:58

xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-6 20:53
我用正版旋风nnue验证了下，此变红可以正常守和，最后形成以下局面

能否贴出着法学习一下

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-6 20:53:10

本帖最后由 xqahz010 于 2022-7-6 20:58 编辑

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 19:34

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-7-6 20:22:05

石川铃华老湿发表于 2022-6-13 19:47

吼

濕濕怎麼還沒玩夠啊

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-6 19:34:01

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-6-13 19:47:12

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-6-13 19:38:48

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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-6-10 10:58:35

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2022-6-10 11:10 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-21 12:55
黑要赢也很难

目前也只有强软能走赢了吧

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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-3-21 12:55:35

★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-21 12:19
到目前为止，没有发现和棋着法，菜鸟来玩用软件测出和棋估计是用亚规

黑要赢也很难

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★星海★ · 发表于 2021-3-21 12:19:16

聨吟客发表于 2021-3-20 22:55
好像有點兒喧賓奪主乎?
呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵

到目前为止，没有发现和棋着法，菜鸟来玩用软件测出和棋估计是用亚规

一卒擎天 · 发表于 2021-3-21 11:36:37

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 17:22

谢谢余老师，我的变是劣变，请邢先生原谅。。。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-21 08:53:29

老鸽子发表于 2021-3-21 03:19
上页“129局二炮争功变改局”陈兄是从哪里弄来的？此局本人注意了多年，但一直对其来源感到莫名其妙。此 ...

我用東萍棋盤的棋譜搜索查找同型局功能查到的

直接複製貼上來
未做任何文字與走法增減

是誰修改我也不清楚

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-21 03:40:19

刚才又进东萍网查了一下，发现上楼“护驾炮”局居然是属于667的个人棋谱仓库，难道此局是龚伟老师改的？真是有眼不识泰山！

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-21 03:19:10

聨吟客发表于 2021-3-19 17:38

上页“129局二炮争功变改局”陈兄是从哪里弄来的？此局本人注意了多年，但一直对其来源感到莫名其妙。此局在东萍象棋网，作为仁人《江湖棋摊残局揭秘》第49局“护驾炮”列出。后经查阅仁人原谱，发现该谱的图势并非如此图，而是与这里的主题局“二炮争功”完全相同。那么，此局到底是谁改的？

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-21 02:23:03

★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-20 21:10
鞠发友是一位网友，擅长作曲和排局，我只知道这么多。

谢谢曾老师的介绍。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 22:55:49

好像有點兒喧賓奪主乎?
呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵

那麼二炮爭功原局到底正確結論如何呢

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 22:43:10

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★星海★ · 发表于 2021-3-20 21:10:58

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2021-3-20 21:12 编辑

老鸽子发表于 2021-3-20 00:44
这局不就是"走马联营"吗？图势完全相同，“又进行了创作”是什么意思？《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权 ...

鞠发友是一位网友，擅长作曲和排局，我只知道这么多。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 17:24:10

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 16:08:55

hzsjy 发表于 2021-3-20 13:35
长久没来，又在讨论以前讨论过的棋局？
41楼是我的改图和着法！棋图中有我的名字。

沈老師好久不見
很開心又見到您

41樓我用東萍棋盤的棋譜搜索查找同型局功能找出的
直接複製貼上未做任何增減

網站棋局太多又隔多年
無法全都記得有無討論過
我自己的局也忘記很多
呵呵呵呵
再討論複習熱鬧熱鬧也不錯
如沈老師對41樓有重新修訂整理走法也可再提供
謝謝

hzsjy · 发表于 2021-3-20 13:35:18

本帖最后由 hzsjy 于 2021-3-20 13:41 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2021-3-19 17:37
查找同型局
呵呵呵

长久没来，又在讨论以前讨论过的棋局？
41楼是我的改图和着法！棋图中有我的名字。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 12:38:55

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-20 16:11 编辑

老鸽子发表于 2021-3-20 10:08
居然有这么巧，真乃英雄所见略同。

鴿先生可能誤會了

不是我的創作,是我根據鴿先生的文字標示而糊里糊塗排成的,後來才發現弄錯了
呵呵呵呵呵
不過誤打誤撞好像還真可另外成局呢
姑不論深淺難易如何還挺有趣的
如果太簡單再行改造就是了

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-20 10:08:12

聨吟客发表于 2021-3-20 09:59
我之前誤排成這樣
將錯就錯一併貼上供大家研究
呵呵呵呵呵

居然有这么巧，真乃英雄所见略同。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 09:59:38

我之前誤排成這樣
將錯就錯一併貼上供大家研究

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 09:51:16

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