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标题: 你追我赶（趣味棋局）杨启忠 [打印本页]

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-9 13:23
标题: 你追我赶（趣味棋局）杨启忠
这个棋局黑方城池四面漏风，正好为红炮留下广阔的表演舞台。是局很简单，请棋友们试试，看哪路英雄率先攻破 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]520,450[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_binit]nnnnnn4858nnnnnnnnnn7831nn51nnnnnn1002324252nn41nnnn661586834909[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]你追我赶1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 老实人张无忌 时间: 2014-6-9 16:40
这样吗？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994858999999999978319951999999100232425299419999661586834909[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]你追我赶1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]78706660701060201013202313832373838573758515752515162528585728261686266686896686896986666967091957581929674729394743665643235651485751312322[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-9 16:56
为什么把1路黑后卒改到2路？

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-9 17:01
这样吗？[/quote] 第三回合黑应先将军，再退炮，另第5回合，黑走卒5平4，如何

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-9 17:08
为什么把1路黑后卒改到2路？[/quote] 黑有两次进炮打将，红帅要两次调位

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-9 17:38
听说这局很有趣，我玩了三四个小时。确实很有趣，就是太费力。目前离终点好像还差一点距离。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-9 17:49
听说这局很有趣，我玩了三四个小时。确实很有趣，就是太费力。目前离终点好像还差一点距离。[/quote] 王老弟又放烟幕弹哈。以寒士之雄厚武功，拿下这局没问题。

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-9 18:15
王老弟又放烟幕弹哈。以寒士之雄厚武功，拿下这局没问题。[/quote] 那就把我刚刚取得的成绩拿出来晒一晒，还不成熟，选取了一个主着，变着还未编出， [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]你追我赶1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994858999999997899315199999999100232425299419966990509498386[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]787066607010602010132023138323638382636282856265850565150506151848371816068616763748091986827672828972748919742419292428585728272928272628272625272625235758232426464939466624644839022439482402666902246949644449442402446402246462[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_1]1916[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_2]0224[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3]1813[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4]5857[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]6555[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_6]6263[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_7]8385[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment57]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment57] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 如果上面着法没有太大问题，再补充变着。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-6-9 18:19
呵呵，棋图早变了，不是这个图了。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-9 18:20
那就把我刚刚取得的成绩拿出来晒一晒，还不成熟，选取了一个主着，变着还未编出， [/quote] 第三回合，黑应先进炮打将！继续，力争拿下。黑后卒再2路

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-10 01:20
杨老师白给我戴高帽了，也白鼓励我了，到现在我还没有解出。不过也不算丢面子，杨老师的棋局高深莫测、精妙绝伦，不是一般人能参透、能破解的。就这局棋局来说吧，到现在，不也还是没人破解吗?

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-6-10 13:57
时间较短，先列一路变化 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994858999999999978319951999999100232425299419999661586834909[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]你追我赶1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7870666070106020101320285857282313832363838263628285626357584959858263624859152582858676855562645553645459487666585966565949544448575646574846364959445453235451594951312322[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-10 14:49
时间较短，先列一路变化[/quote] 第9步红跑一进三，黑炮7退1. 第11步红炮一退三，黑应走炮7进1（不走卒9平8），双方多走走两步闲棋。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-10 16:35

邢春波发表于 2014-6-10 13:57
时间较短，先列一路变化

7回合，黑棋走软了。

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-10 22:03
本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2014-6-10 22:13 编辑

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-10 16:35
7回合，黑棋走软了。

第7回合，难道应该炮进2，不让红炮见缝插针，把炮调到八路？好像不是。又，如果黑炮进3拦红炮，红棋易胜，这个我会走。

作者: 古婺 时间: 2014-6-11 08:44
和此局很相似：

http://www.gdchess.com/bbs/dispb ... ;page=10&star=1

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-11 11:13

古婺发表于 2014-6-11 08:44
和此局很相似：

http://www.gdchess.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardid=56&id=95375&authorid=0&page=10&star ...

嗯啦，原来早有类似棋局。我这个是前不久看了赵老师的棋局，有感而作。

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-11 11:19
楼上棋局简单得很，旋风软件根本都不用时间思考，几秒就搞定。
我也见到过其他类似的棋局，着法都很简单明显，没有深奥的着法，我也没有记录和收藏它们。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-11 11:34

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-6-11 11:19
楼上棋局简单得很，旋风软件根本都不用时间思考，几秒就搞定。
我也见到过其他类似的棋局，着法都很简单明 ...

我只有象棋巫师软件，但不习惯用它拆棋，也从未用过，除连胜局用周软，其他棋局全凭人脑，也因此存在不少漏洞。这个棋局的复杂之处在于7回合，黑有3个变例：1.炮7进3 2.炮7进2 3.炮7进1 后两个是支变，也较复杂。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-6-11 20:06
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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-11 23:06

邢春波发表于 2014-6-11 20:06

第13步可否走炮三进一？

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-12 07:19
春波棋友给出的这路变化也很精彩，这证明了7回合，黑炮7进1红可胜，但系缓胜。正如寒士所言，红先平炮可早胜：第9回合应炮一平三

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-6-12 19:04

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-12 07:19
春波棋友给出的这路变化也很精彩，这证明了7回合，黑炮7进1红可胜，但系缓胜。正如寒士所言，红先平炮可早胜 ...

我没找出速胜之法，请杨老师将其贴出来学习一下。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-12 19:25

邢春波发表于 2014-6-11 20:06

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-12 20:12
给出着法，请指正

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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-6-12 20:22

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-12 20:12
给出着法，请指正

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-12 20:37

邢春波发表于 2014-6-12 20:22

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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-6-12 20:46

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-12 20:37

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-13 07:21

邢春波发表于 2014-6-12 20:46

这样

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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-13 13:40
在拆解该局时，遇到一个问题，几位棋友在上面的着法演示中，都没有触及到这个问题。即：在第7回合黑炮7进1或进2变例中，如果黑2路卒平到中路之后，不在平到6路，而是潜伏在中路，伺机前进吃红中士，之后红帅无安全藏身之处，红方陷入困境。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-6-13 19:08

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-13 07:21
这样

还是胜不了
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-6-13 19:30

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-6-13 13:40
在拆解该局时，遇到一个问题，几位棋友在上面的着法演示中，都没有触及到这个问题。即：在第7回合黑 ...

24楼余老师给出的着法，续走就是这个变化。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-14 07:56

邢春波发表于 2014-6-13 19:30
24楼余老师给出的着法，续走就是这个变化。

啊啊！炮7进1之变确实复杂。寒士指出的变化十分重要，否则这个棋局将留下遗憾，这也彰显了华工的力量！这里要特别感谢寒士了，这一招堪称寒冰掌，几乎将我们的研究成果给冰封了!就将这路变化单贴列出，敬请给位棋友指正，见下楼。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-14 07:57
不知这招一阳指效果如何?看招：

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-14 08:58

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-14 07:57
不知这招一阳指效果如何?看招：

一阳指失传了，徒具外形。

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-14 09:23

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-14 08:58
一阳指失传了，徒具外形。

，感觉有点类似江湖棋局了！再研究研究看还有没有其他攻击法，只有确定无法取胜，再考虑改局

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-14 17:04
杨老师使出浑身解数，也化解不了寒冰掌的凌厉攻势。

看来只好改弦易辙了，大体有三种方案：1.加相 2.加士 3.移卒前两者太俗了，极大地破坏了原局的内涵，故不予考虑。移卒方案见下楼，该方案使得原局的那两个支之变之难度立马消失，好得点的是增加了主变的内容，此所谓鱼和熊掌不可兼得。真不好意思，又给大家添麻烦了。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-14 17:05
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-14 18:13

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-14 17:18

谢谢！修订一下

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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-14 19:20
本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2014-6-18 08:25 编辑

等我仔研究研究，看看能不能再给你浇盆凉水。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-14 20:49
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-15 08:42

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-14 20:49

变化太多，还有一些一时还有待研究，先看看这个

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-15 09:05
再补充一路重要变化

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-16 09:42

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-15 20:21

楼上红可先炮九平七过渡一下，主要问题是黑炮平6，红无法胜。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-16 10:46

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 09:42
楼上红可先炮九平七过渡一下，主要问题是黑炮平6，红无法胜。

没有看懂

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-16 13:22

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-16 10:46
没有看懂

13回合黑走错了，应炮3平9顶炮

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-16 13:27

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 13:22
13回合黑走错了，应炮3平9顶炮

10回合黑炮9平8之变与一楼棋局的2路卒平中之变有异曲同工之妙，红胜不了。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-16 13:35

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 13:22
13回合黑走错了，应炮3平9顶炮

还是没有看懂，简单可胜的你说不能胜，不能胜的却又说能够胜。

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-16 14:08

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-16 13:35
还是没有看懂，简单可胜的你说不能胜，不能胜的却又说能够胜。

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-16 14:09
乱码了，上楼少了底边卒

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-16 15:26

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 13:27
10回合黑炮9平8之变与一楼棋局的2路卒平中之变有异曲同工之妙，红胜不了。

越来越看不懂，哪有10回合黑炮9平8之变？

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-16 16:00

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-16 15:26
越来越看不懂，哪有10回合黑炮9平8之变？

打错了，是卒9平8

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-17 20:25
再度修订，先晒个图，请棋友们研究一下

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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-18 08:32

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-6-14 19:20
等我仔研究研究，看看能不能再给你浇盆凉水。

凉水就不要再浇了，以免浇灭了杨老师的创作热情。我还期待杨老师把“你追我赶”这局棋局创作得更精彩、更完美。
支持！大力支持！

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-18 12:20

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-6-18 08:32
凉水就不要再浇了，以免浇灭了杨老师的创作热情。我还期待杨老师把“你追我赶”这局棋局创作得更 ...

兄弟啊，我正需要一盆冷水，59楼还需改进，故先冷处理一下。还是力争把这局棋弄好，再次谢谢寒士！谢谢大家的关注！

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-19 08:53
这个棋局的难点是黑炮的两次打将给红棋造成极大的困难，之前给出的局面都没能克服这点，故再次修订如下，敬请棋友们指正

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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-21 13:53
本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2014-6-21 14:13 编辑

在研究59#局面时，发现黑9路前卒可以快速挺进，使红方阵脚大乱。我也想建议你将其往后摆一步，但还是想等等看，看看其他棋友的着法和见解。
在62#的局面中，黑9路前卒向后排了一步，应该是红胜无疑，只是因为变着太多，变中有变，使得所拟着法显得乱，其实，还有一些变着需要列出，会显得等乱。能否再进一步整理并化简一下。（有的顿挫可能没必要）

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-21 18:43
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[DhtmlXQ_comment20]第7回合卒5平4变，则此时卒9平8.[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-22 22:46

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-11 11:34
我只有象棋巫师软件，但不习惯用它拆棋，也从未用过，除连胜局用周软，其他棋局全凭人脑，也因此存在不少 ...

   象棋软件破解连照胜、间照胜（双方有紧迫感，一定步数之内）的棋局局，非常在行，其能力是人脑远远不能及的。而对于宽紧胜的棋局，双方将帅和其他子力都一时看不到危险的情况下，软件就无从下手，如盲人走迷宫一样。
   在杨老师的 “你追我赶” 棋局面前，一向高傲的旋风软件，一下子成了超低智商的傻瓜。让软件走红旗，它只知道一将一闲，反正自己输不了。让它走黑棋，它也走不出最佳最顽强的应着，劣着频出。
   都说软件下全棋厉害，无人能敌。其实，全盘棋也是一个宽紧胜排局，如果我们把它的着法全部研究透了，就会发现软件下全棋也是很差的。

   “你追我赶”局变着太多，棋友们肯定感到很棘手，要把所有的着法全部编辑出来回复你，不是件容易的事，所以只能对你所编辑的着法中，存在的不当之处提出质疑。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-23 11:20
感谢余老师的指导，感谢寒士的帮助，感谢大家的关注。现对7回合卒5平4之变及卒9平8之变作了修订，敬请棋友们指正

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-6-23 21:44
刪除1路底卒是否紅勝?(如果一定要作紅勝局的話)
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-24 06:42

聨吟客发表于 2014-6-23 21:44
刪除1路底卒是否紅勝?(如果一定要作紅勝局的話)

本棋型如果和棋的话就没有意义了。

原则上以挖掘着法为主，而且67楼变化我曾经走出过红胜，但当时因为有事没有记录，现在又找不到取胜路径了。

随意改局当然可以使使棋局达到想要的和棋或胜负的结论，但着法没有深度，乏味。

最近论坛上有些棋局很有味道，值得欣赏。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-6-24 07:02
接67樓

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-24 08:16

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-23 12:07

7回合卒5平4及卒9平8都可弈成下面的局面，也是一个难点，故单贴列出，大家看看有什么问题？

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-6-24 08:44
這樣如何變化?
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-24 09:01

聨吟客发表于 2014-6-24 08:44
這樣如何變化?

谢谢陈先生又挖出一个变化，这样

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[DhtmlXQ_comment53]伏中路叫杀。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment85]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment85]
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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-24 17:55

聨吟客发表于 2014-6-24 08:44
這樣如何變化?

这不是“联吟客”棋友吗？你可是失踪了好几个月了。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-25 07:41
整理一下，诚望棋友们提出意见和建议

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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-6-25 11:14
太复杂，不但主变很多，枝变都多达四层。一跨入第7步门槛，就迷失道路，失去方向，很多地方倒是存在有意见和见解，但是很难说清是在什么位置。事后连我自己也找不到这些位置。
在第7步门槛之前，第6步红炮一进一这步棋，好像没必要。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-25 14:04
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-6-25 15:17

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-6-24 17:55
这不是“联吟客”棋友吗？你可是失踪了好几个月了。

呵呵呵,寒士安好,我失蹤那麼久了嗎?呵呵呵,偶爾有來看但沒有發貼, 我錯誤率過高的發貼習慣也該改一改了,不過興致來時難免控制不住,我盡量,盡量..........呵呵呵!

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-25 15:39
多发贴讨论是好事，不要把优点给改掉，而缺点依然保留。我认为应该改的是：
1、不要随意改局，以挖掘着法来解决问题比较好，改局是最后的无奈之举。
2、改局也要思考得比较成熟后再发贴，不要一发就是好几个改局，自己也根本没有思考过。
3、有时候在一个帖子后连续跟很多贴，这时候可以考虑合并在一个帖子里，别人看起来会比较清晰，已经发的帖子是可以修改增加内容的。

作者: yuntao云涛 时间: 2014-6-26 12:18

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-25 15:39
多发贴讨论是好事，不要把优点给改掉，而缺点依然保留。我认为应该改的是：
1、不要随意改局，以挖掘着法来 ...

余老师说到我心坎里去了。但想要验证一局复杂棋实在不容易啊，还是要走群众路线的。想想自己发的几局棋大部分都是讨论一半就不了了之，基本都没有结果，就是缺少了余老师的经验啊

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-26 12:54
并不是每一局都能够讨论出结果的，而一则优秀排局也并不一定要很复杂。

我认为一则排局脱帽后无明显方向，着法太松散类似于实战，基本无法确定正解，也就没有人讨论了。

我最喜欢的是似宽实紧、和中取胜或败中求和的排局。

作者: yuntao云涛 时间: 2014-6-26 13:48

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-26 12:54
并不是每一局都能够讨论出结果的，而一则优秀排局也并不一定要很复杂。

我认为一则排局脱帽后无明显方向 ...

【停车问路】【太平有象】【古局金鸡独立】【鸿雁双飞】【大五虎】【野马操田】加上八大排局里能达到余老师所说的条件又有几局呢？

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-26 14:14
大局是变化多，但变化多并不一定是大局，否则创作大型排局太容易了。

我认为排局成局的关键是一个“紧”字，有的剑拔弩张，有的似宽实紧，如果宽到松散，则不是成功之局。

这些大局之所以有胜和之争，就是一个“紧”字的体现。

如全局起始局面，变化无穷，但作为排局则算不上。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-26 14:52

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-26 14:14
大局是变化多，但变化多并不一定是大局，否则创作大型排局太容易了。

我认为排局成局的关键是一个“紧” ...

谢谢几位高手的指点，原来第6回合炮一进一确实没有必要，已更正。卒5平4及卒9平8之变中炮7平3这手棋只对次级变化有影响。再次更新，敬请指正

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-6-26 20:09
卒5平6变的第8回合也有卒9平8的变化

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-27 09:40
本帖最后由杨启忠于 2014-6-27 19:05 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-26 20:09
卒5平6变的第8回合也有卒9平8的变化

此路变化较容易，尚有炮7平3之变也是只影响次级变着。还请棋友们看看有何不妥？

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-6-28 08:52
本帖最后由杨启忠于 2014-7-3 10:15 编辑

正如寒士所言，一些顿挫没有必要，故再次简化，因变化太多，或许还有不足之处，请大家指正

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