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标题: 这局面我怎么也找不到红方取胜之法 [打印本页]

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-13 21:20
标题: 这局面我怎么也找不到红方取胜之法
请大家帮忙,红方是否可以取胜. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949579999993953999940307099998299319964999999469999996989[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]图三[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]3969[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ].

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-13 21:43
这个昨天的拟着比较毛草，修改一下能好点。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]图三[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999995749999999993953304070999999996499319982999946996989999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]494889794847464239387989574831414837897938486959484279694244697947577969444841425323424123294142484742322939324237484241575841314859695958593141394941315958313247486442483832315848826438333141335341514942514142456482484782644737648245498264535841425848425237475251485864424942[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_1]6442594982644743648243733141393241313282426482856442734331328535323135344264435331325333[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]6959574859494837314138487969484269594244414253434252444952424948596947574232436332426369424169594131594982607060648260508264574764424842[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_20_3]59494353493937485251483951523948525130208260706064826050826420306482535882644857[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_20_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_18_4]4232444932424948[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_18_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_16_5]493953434151443451413439[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_16_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]如改走卒5平6则回到主变第8回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]回到将5平6变第11回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_21]胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_21] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-10-13 21:47
对的。红先胜[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]红先胜[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999995749999999993953304070999999996499319982999946996989999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]49486959484759493938495957485969483731414050415138584656374869595333564648575141584846423353897948427969424641425040424157485949475749594859695953594131594931324643323143483132574732314878644278738260706031414942415142625152737252517282[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]score:1303 time:9626 side:1[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment2]score:1303 time:5507[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3]score:1303 time:1201[/DhtmlXQ_comment3] [DhtmlXQ_comment4]score:1303 time:1045[/DhtmlXQ_comment4] [DhtmlXQ_comment5]score:1303 time:1014[/DhtmlXQ_comment5] [DhtmlXQ_comment6]score:1319 time:1014[/DhtmlXQ_comment6] [DhtmlXQ_comment7]score:1815 time:1139[/DhtmlXQ_comment7] [DhtmlXQ_comment8]score:1995 time:1014[/DhtmlXQ_comment8] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]score:2135 time:1045[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment10]score:5471 time:936[/DhtmlXQ_comment10] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]score:10066 time:1544[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment12]score:10066 time:1108[/DhtmlXQ_comment12] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]score:10067 time:998[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment14]score:10101 time:1592[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_comment15]score:10224 time:1216[/DhtmlXQ_comment15] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]score:10085 time:1170[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment17]score:11284 time:1607[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [DhtmlXQ_comment18]score:11771 time:3354[/DhtmlXQ_comment18] [DhtmlXQ_comment19]score:11791 time:1732[/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_comment20]score:11526 time:1232[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]score:11874 time:1560[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [DhtmlXQ_comment22]score:11699 time:999[/DhtmlXQ_comment22] [DhtmlXQ_comment23]score:11672 time:780[/DhtmlXQ_comment23] [DhtmlXQ_comment24]score:11526 time:1123[/DhtmlXQ_comment24] [DhtmlXQ_comment25]score:11558 time:1092[/DhtmlXQ_comment25] [DhtmlXQ_comment26]score:12326 time:1201[/DhtmlXQ_comment26] [DhtmlXQ_comment27]score:21461 time:796[/DhtmlXQ_comment27] [DhtmlXQ_comment28]score:29907 time:983[/DhtmlXQ_comment28] [DhtmlXQ_comment29]score:29924 time:639[/DhtmlXQ_comment29] [DhtmlXQ_comment30]score:29927 time:640[/DhtmlXQ_comment30] [DhtmlXQ_comment31]score:29940 time:561[/DhtmlXQ_comment31] [DhtmlXQ_comment32]score:29937 time:734[/DhtmlXQ_comment32] [DhtmlXQ_comment33]score:29922 time:592[/DhtmlXQ_comment33] [DhtmlXQ_comment34]score:29949 time:999[/DhtmlXQ_comment34] [DhtmlXQ_comment35]score:29960 time:702[/DhtmlXQ_comment35] [DhtmlXQ_comment36]score:29957 time:749[/DhtmlXQ_comment36] [DhtmlXQ_comment37]score:29962 time:670[/DhtmlXQ_comment37] [DhtmlXQ_comment38]score:29963 time:780[/DhtmlXQ_comment38] [DhtmlXQ_comment39]score:29966 time:671[/DhtmlXQ_comment39] [DhtmlXQ_comment40]score:29981 time:546[/DhtmlXQ_comment40] [DhtmlXQ_comment41]score:29982 time:468[/DhtmlXQ_comment41] [DhtmlXQ_comment42]score:29983 time:577[/DhtmlXQ_comment42] [DhtmlXQ_comment43]score:29984 time:390[/DhtmlXQ_comment43] [DhtmlXQ_comment44]score:29985 time:578[/DhtmlXQ_comment44] [DhtmlXQ_comment45]score:29986 time:655[/DhtmlXQ_comment45] [DhtmlXQ_comment46]score:29985 time:920[/DhtmlXQ_comment46] [DhtmlXQ_comment47]score:29986 time:499[/DhtmlXQ_comment47] [DhtmlXQ_comment48]score:29987 time:500[/DhtmlXQ_comment48] [DhtmlXQ_comment49]score:29988 time:577[/DhtmlXQ_comment49] [DhtmlXQ_comment50]score:29989 time:593[/DhtmlXQ_comment50] [DhtmlXQ_comment51]score:29990 time:577[/DhtmlXQ_comment51] [DhtmlXQ_comment52]score:29991 time:842[/DhtmlXQ_comment52] [DhtmlXQ_comment53]score:29992 time:546[/DhtmlXQ_comment53] [DhtmlXQ_comment54]score:29993 time:780[/DhtmlXQ_comment54] [DhtmlXQ_comment55]score:29994 time:624[/DhtmlXQ_comment55] [DhtmlXQ_comment56]score:29995 time:484[/DhtmlXQ_comment56] [DhtmlXQ_comment57]score:29996 time:249[/DhtmlXQ_comment57] [DhtmlXQ_comment58]score:29997 time:219[/DhtmlXQ_comment58] [DhtmlXQ_comment59]score:29998 time:561[/DhtmlXQ_comment59] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-13 22:08
试解一变[/quote] 再请教先生,这局面红方是否可胜 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994838999999996869309999407099996499519942999913999979999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]图三[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]6919[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-10-14 08:17
再请教先生,这局面红方是否可胜[/quote] 用软件计算了一下，目前算的是和棋。

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-14 13:12
再请教先生,这局面红方是否可胜[/quote] 桑老师客气了，请教实不敢当更何况我是晚辈。况且我解的也不一定对，只能给您做做参考。

图四研究了一下，初步想法红要想放手进攻必须除去卒的干扰。但是除卒后自己棋力有限并没有找到良好的进攻思路，我只能拆个大概和棋的结果到底结果如何还不好说。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994838999999996869304070999999994299519964999913997999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]691913186867180819090828670779690708281809195141080942244857[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment15]红必得卒，以下局面目前没有找到有效的进攻方式。虽然此局面黑防守并不理想，但从双炮单缺相难胜炮双象的角度分析红方无相应该是和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-14 22:18
桑老师客气了，请教实不敢当更何况我是晚辈。况且我解的也不一定对，只能给您做做参考。 ...[/quote] 红七路相要放在中路. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999874859372599990400999930201001990299429924999931990919647999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-10-14 20:40:08[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-10-14 20:41:04[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题 2[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]04017969595831212547214147654111304011185857181757581711203011185857181757581711102011185857181757581711405011185857181757581711304011185857181757581711203011185857181757581711506011185857181757581711405011185857181757581711304011185857181757581711607011185857181757581711506011185857181757581711405011185857181757581711708011185857181757581711607011185857181757581711506011185857181757581711005011185857181757581711505111185857181757581711605011185857181757581711706011185857181757581711504011185857181757581712605012185857181757581711403042320100111858571817575832315040313200101718585718175758171140503242304011185857181757581711506011185857181757581711405011185857181757581711607011185857181757581711506011185857181757581711512111185857181757581711105011185857181757581715212315185857181757581711654769795051114147254111515611185857181725471711564642412343413160501115706015108070313250403231605079897060897943331012403012424676424476363141366644463336465666865654476554568666646587652442607041315040314136464131658719294645564666630224633346363335364635362919456531416568465636464264575819296867413167470919463656764859798947497679494379765848314136464131484976795948797687697679694764424333797547257545495931415958897946262402331341312646314146067969060845852507858248596959585929393748192959588272585772825747827248392939084872794737415148087972133339493747022408484264072572424828240233134243285843462507460613166442165651415646426458534959475759695343413157580636464902240729367629477679494879764765644243334264482831416547763628484131484964824765367649293141654776362926826447296442290736460725240226294676331342642909767909087972250764425848695908094131131902240959426419397242393831414847240259090224072542460949464249292402381841312939022418282402283831413929415138585141581841311813424129396442475741512507515639095652574752824748825213335253090253430206434606363141363941513336514148474151473742643738464136565152072541463959524238484232565732315737314159534142373942324858324225474644476544343969648253563436564636316949423246663242497931817973424166694142585742416949414273788131784842325747826448686482497931516838515979693231383931324748595169495131392982642927648227678264676431516434515649395636393736353736323134323534363534333534[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_1]0220[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_141_2]6547[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_141_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_188_3]17131050132321812313505113185857181757581713516113185857181757581713605013185857181757581713706013185857181757581713504013185857181757581713616313536050424140304131504031418184414263734241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_188_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_337_4]133302243339797237474264395972424828424428585141584844424828424559494542072541514909240209594244285851415848444248184131593931411813413125073141390941310902424302066442063631411319415147374346194942643738464136565152072541464959524238484232565732315737314159534142373942324858324225474644476544343969648253563436564636316949423246488264585731815747813148686482498931516838515989693231474831327080323138395952694982643938524249696482484782606960426260616263616231323833636462636434637334543338545373795359383932317969313247483231485859496547314169594142584849475949424149474142474342414342413142523132398932318982[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_337_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_338_5]3949334302244349797707257773374773232507232147372111485811190725191249595141374712222507222359494151585323214959514147482111592911165333164607252402331341512909466625076662095962821353514159490224533382834942[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_338_5] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]819[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_hits]8[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]8646130[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]桑莫喜[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]桑莫喜[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-14 22:20
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-14 22:22
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作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-14 23:03
红七路相要放在中路.[/quote] 这局相要放在中路原先这些着法20回合以后就都没有了啊

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-15 20:44
1楼棋局是这样的.我当时沒能找到红方取胜之法,所以用一相换双卒,红双砲单士三底兵对黑砲双象,经2搂3楼二位先生指点,应是和棋,那8搂9搂的棋局红就无法取胜了,但事情昨天有了转机. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999994838998799997388999940307099998299519942999999129999896979[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]图三[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]736312026366826488680205876979696669[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-15 21:07

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-15 20:44
1楼棋局是这样的.我当时沒能找到红方取胜之法,所以用一相换双卒,红双砲单士三底兵对黑砲双象,经2搂3楼 ...

这局有相炮又压住象眼红必胜

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-15 21:21
7楼的着法应该没那么长. [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-15 21:24

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-15 21:07
这局有相炮又压住象眼红必胜

是啊, 昨天才找到红方可抽吃黑七路卒.

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-15 21:26

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-15 21:21
7楼的着法应该没那么长.

我慢慢看太长了

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-15 22:06

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-14 22:18
红七路相要放在中路.

这样红丢了兵以后对象少了限制作用，好像赢不了的。
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-15 22:21

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-15 22:06
这样红丢了兵以后对象少了限制作用，好像赢不了的。

这路掑走过的,红双砲比预计出困至少少50回合,当然这路着法必须加上,谢谢.

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-16 12:22
本帖最后由柒匹狼于 2014-10-16 12:42 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-15 22:21
这路掑走过的,红双砲比预计出困至少少50回合,当然这路着法必须加上,谢谢.

不怕吃兵

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作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-16 13:16
太长了看的有点晕晕的，一时半会弄不明白了。

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-16 16:53
本帖最后由柒匹狼于 2014-10-16 17:32 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-14 22:18
红七路相要放在中路.

按您的意思弄成这样，不知道行不行。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]回到主变7回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]这样可以掩护兵转移，比弃掉要好很多。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]黑要压住红炮就没有退将调整双象的时间，如果不压红炮又可退赛象眼直接转兵。所以进炮为兵生根转移，黑亦没有调整象的机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51]至此；解决掉丢兵变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment111]八路炮出来前，可以先这样控一下黑将的活动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment111]
[DhtmlXQ_comment117]到这与原主变50回合相同[/DhtmlXQ_comment117]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]应该改走炮3平2[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]这样红早胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]有相和老兵应可胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]这样红好像赢不了了[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-16 21:35
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-10-16 21:37 编辑

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-16 16:53
按您的意思弄成这样，不知道行不行。

这局面红方不按7楼着法走,红方变着是否可行.红如变着,黑找机会用双象换双兵,如这样,红是否可胜.[DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-16 21:56
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-10-16 22:14 编辑

7搂8楼给出的着法都是为9楼做淮备,我是先妍究图9,棋局复杂,当时找不到胜法,后再有图8,在挆讨1楼局面时,偶然找到吃到图8七路卒的方法,现在的问题,就是红笫2只砲脱困的问题,也就是搂上的问题,解决了就可定型了.

作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-17 20:17

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-16 21:35
这局面红方不按7楼着法走,红方变着是否可行.红如变着,黑找机会用双象换双兵,如这样,红是否可胜.

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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-18 19:39

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-17 20:17

红方按原着法走砲,黑可这样应,红难胜. [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-18 20:09

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-18 19:39
红方按原着法走砲,黑可这样应,红难胜.

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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-18 20:22

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-18 20:09

黑20回合改走将5平4,不知黑方能不能守和. [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-18 20:36

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-18 20:22
黑20回合改走将5平4,不知黑方能不能守和.

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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-18 20:53

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-18 20:36

黑这样呢 [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-18 20:59
本帖最后由柒匹狼于 2014-10-18 21:14 编辑

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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-20 20:32
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-10-20 21:30 编辑

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-18 20:59

黑18回合走象5退7,红也难胜. [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-20 21:51
7楼和8楼红第2只砲脱困,可用楼上红笫7回合砲4平7可使另一只砲提前脱困,那么,搂上笫2只砲脱困得另找它法. [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-20 22:03

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-20 20:32
黑18回合走象5退7,红也难胜.

黑怎么可能主动用象换兵？红兵能起的攻击效果非常小，红这局面基本是不可能入局的原因是，黑不走软着4个底卒红方如何处理掉？不处理掉炮不能回底与帅3线开展攻势怎么有机会破象？29楼红依然是拿不下来，我是没有找到什么好办法可以处理掉黑4卒，所以没找到胜法。

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-20 23:10
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-10-20 23:19 编辑

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-20 22:03
黑怎么可能主动用象换兵？红兵能起的攻击效果非常小，红这局面基本是不可能入局的原因是，黑不走软着4 ...

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作者: 柒匹狼 时间: 2014-10-20 23:14

桑莫喜发表于 2014-10-20 23:10
我方留单底兵会很难胜.

红方剩下几个兵并不重要重要的是红方如何在保证双炮单缺相的前提下吃掉黑卒扫清障碍如果不能清理掉卒红如何组织有效的进攻？

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-20 23:19
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-11-2 20:51 编辑

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-20 23:14
红方剩下几个兵并不重要重要的是红方如何在保证双炮单缺相的前提下吃掉黑卒扫清障碍如果不能清理掉卒 ...

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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-10-26 20:29
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-10-26 21:18 编辑

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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-11-2 20:44
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-11-2 20:47 编辑

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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-11-2 20:53
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-11-2 21:06
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-11-3 18:24 编辑

37楼棋势早就放过,但沒有深入研究,如果37楼棋局成立,必须找到38,39搂红胜着法.

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