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标题: 【转帖】对张云川《象棋残局生死棋型》中第89局的诠订----靖远棋呆子 [打印本页]
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2017-2-24 19:05
标题: 【转帖】对张云川《象棋残局生死棋型》中第89局的诠订----靖远棋呆子
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]张云川的《象棋残局生死棋型》第十型“垫炮型”总第89局《兵强马壮》，原谱作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2017-2-24 19:05
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作者: 会心斋    时间: 2017-2-26 09:31
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-26 14:55
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2017-2-27 00:56 编辑

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作者: yjr123    时间: 2017-2-26 15:33
聨吟客 发表于 2017-2-26 14:55
還可改進,  讓棋局變化更豐富,如何把棋盤上的任何可能性發揮到極致, 是有趣的研究課題,子多子少或圖好不好 ...

别人都只是说改局，就你每次都说是改进。

结果黑胜了
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-26 15:57
那又如何? 我也是有很多非常成功的啊
不怕失敗才會成功是吧

  有錯歡迎大家提出指導,    我會感謝您們虛心請教
但我不再對一些對我創作或改局甚至一些文字習慣上面批評冷嘲熱諷的方式卑躬屈膝

余先生多年以來對我的指導指正,不管是自己研究發現還是借助軟件發現我的錯誤,  我都很感謝
但每當指出我錯誤的同時總是不忘批評或調侃我一番,原本以為這是激勵我的偶爾的行為
但日久見人心,   讓我覺得余先生的心態實在值得商榷   ,您自己應該調整一下吧,余大哥 俊瑞 宇宙超級無敵人機合一校局特級大師先生!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
作者: yjr123    时间: 2017-2-26 16:04
既然没有把握，不要开口闭口都是改进，仅此而已，就此打住。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-26 16:24
差點忘了余先生是版主之一

  本來我還有很多話要說, 但跟版主吵對我沒好處

所謂人在屋簷下不得不低頭

各位網友們也要引以為戒, 版主也不是聖人的啦

常常看東看西不順眼,小題大作, 僅此而已



就此打住
作者: 会心斋    时间: 2017-2-26 16:42
稍安勿躁。冷处理。或许过几年再回顾一些事情，心境会有所不同，甚或别有一番滋味在心头。
作者: 邢春波    时间: 2017-2-26 20:47
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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2017-2-26 20:56
本帖最后由 邢春波 于 2017-2-27 18:59 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2017-2-26 14:55
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-27 00:52
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2017-2-27 01:05 编辑

其實我對改局的名稱也不是全部都用改進局, 改局修改局也常用,  沒有固定的,而很多我幫網友成功的改局連我的名字都沒放上去,若他們喜歡就拿去用仍可不必提到我,   所以改局修改局改進局甚至有沒有放我的名字都是不一定的,自己也 覺得有點混亂無章,呵呵呵...........  網友們要全盤了解我, 就不要只看一面
(我這幾天說了很多話就是盡量與一些網友們交流 想法溝通呀....)

放改進局就比較狂傲不謙虛嗎?就不能有半點差錯嗎?那放改局修改局可以有多少錯誤率?-  而幫網友成功改進但沒放我名字的局 任由他們自行使用又如何? 要不要說我是大善人改局家呀?

呵呵呵,為了避免類似事件再上演, 今後我統一用實驗改局這個名稱,既稱實驗,那無論有多少失敗錯誤率或是什麼子太多圖好不好看首著吃不吃子紅 子有沒有全部走動.......'等,都不會有人有意見了吧

不過不溯及既往,因工程浩大,  相信大家可以體諒吧
此局我就用編輯改成實驗改局
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-27 01:03
4樓已用編輯改成實驗改局

麻煩12樓邢春波兄如法炮製,簡繁體字都可,感激不盡
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-27 14:12
  多謝各位網友,大家回到棋局討論吧  擺3路高卒弄巧成拙成黑勝,應仍放在28   位,看看
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-27 14:33
發現9回合黑還有逃炮變化,不知紅能不能和?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_31_3]4858314134444151445429390010[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_31_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]||也可[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31][DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_4]00106141483841511020304032315041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]想要弄險卻是敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_15][DhtmlXQ_comment4_22]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_19_6]384850413231304031414941[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_19_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_24]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_1]48471626041426361424364647573141243446565758384858592939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_1]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_7]49393150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]黑還有逃炮變化,也是後來才發現的,不知結果如何\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_18][DhtmlXQ_comment7_19] 待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_19]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-27 14:46
呵呵呵,黑逃炮紅逃馬,讓變化又深廣了許多,     真是意外的收穫,如果能和我會很滿意,如果不能和就還要在改圖, 這樣不斷實驗終有成功之日吧?!實驗改局名副其實, 呵呵呵呵呵.................
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-28 11:52
黑逃炮好像不太好,仍以原來吃馬走法為正

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]隨手劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment39]兵遮將和[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]如無底兵此變黑勝||紅設底兵正是為此[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]||也可[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]想要弄險卻是敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_22]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_19_6]384850413231304031414941[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_19_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_24]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_24]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]黑還有逃炮變化,也是後來才發現的,不知結果如何\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]　紅 這樣可暫時牽制黑炮將||感覺不差[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_36_8]45555848[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_36_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]||黑有規則糾紛[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_9]8580625480205446[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_9][DhtmlXQ_comment9_41]紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_41]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_11_35_12]625446474858373854354748585738082434080735470747[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_35_12][DhtmlXQ_comment12_46]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_46]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_35_13]243446474858373834443808444317185859474843420809[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_35_13][DhtmlXQ_comment13_46]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_46]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_7_43_16]58488020625440415446204048584046[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_43_16][DhtmlXQ_comment16_50]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]變化很複雜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_51]紅優\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_51]
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2017-2-28 15:27
原局黑加一角士可行？
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-28 17:33
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2017-2-28 18:02 编辑
zbz719 发表于 2017-2-28 15:27
原局黑加一角士可行？

研究看看 ,好像紅勝?[
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2017-2-28 17:55
第5回合红可以车三平四。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-28 18:03
zbz719 发表于 2017-2-28 17:55
第5回合红可以车三平四。

已發現並修正
作者: zbz719    时间: 2017-2-28 18:05
原局红平帅也有问题
作者: zbz719    时间: 2017-2-28 18:08
才看到10楼已经有加士了
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2017-3-1 08:16
豫东棋人 老师 跟帖
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 跃马弃车[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]    本局流行各大中城市，棋局变化多端，引人入胜。黑方一步抽杀，而红方跃马弃车不怕抽杀，双方妙着迭出，终弈成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]    ①绝妙之着。跃马弃车十分凶悍。另有两种走法：其一、车三平四，炮5退9解杀还杀，黑胜。其二、兵六进一，将4平5，马三进五(或改走兵六进一，将5进1.马三进四，将5进1，车三退九，卒3进1，帅六进一，卒6平5，帅六进一，卒2平3，黑胜)，卒3进1，帅六进一，卒6平5，帅六平五，车7退9吃车后黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]    ②正着。另有两种着法：其一、车7退9吃车，则兵六进一，将4平5，马五进四，红胜；其二、炮5退4，车三退九，卒6平5，兵六进一，将4平5，马五进四，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]③佳着。弃卒换车，妙不可及。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]④正着。如误走帅六进一，则卒2平3，黑胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]解杀还杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]
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作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2017-3-1 10:29
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 单骑救主  改局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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作者: zhaodi    时间: 2017-3-5 10:00
有诗犹问酒，
无发强加冠。
此言谁是非，
随意处处安。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-17 14:52
会心斋 发表于 2017-2-26 09:31

三楼这不又改回“单马盘将”之势，复古了？
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-17 19:28
這也被翻上來

呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵...................................................................................

這裡面記錄了我用實驗改局這個名稱的前因後果
我覺得這個名稱非常好非常貼切

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