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标题: 奥林匹克马术大赛（红先胜）2015年第3期《棋友》 [打印本页]
作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-2-26 11:29
标题: 奥林匹克马术大赛（红先胜）2015年第3期《棋友》
这一个排局揭晓的答案是怎么样的？

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-2-27 01:48
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-2-27 11:21
3楼是征答局原图，可能考虑到首着马八进六的变化不是原意，所以发表声明改成1楼这样，截止期也相应推迟。
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聨吟客 发表于 2022-2-27 12:06
所以原局作者是梁利成先生

寶毅峰是改局者嗎

标题都已经写明是破解，应该是参与应答投稿者之一。

作者: chouzhouyu    时间: 2022-2-28 22:19
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chouzhouyu 发表于 2022-2-28 22:19

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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-1 17:29
只供參考 請提出寶貴意見
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-3-1 20:41
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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-1 20:59
本帖最后由 奇蹟三號 于 2022-3-1 21:17 编辑

這樣紅幾回合勝?
13. 炮八平五  炮５进３   14. 帅五退一  马３进５ 馬回中路
15. 帅五进一  马５退３   16. 马七退九  马３进１

第十二回合黑沒有走士5進6  
如走士5進6 紅未想到怎麼勝

這局相信是和局。

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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-1 21:25
要釐清黑以遲負步數計算  的標準是什麼
想要看當前局面 或参看螞蟻大戰的釋弈
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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-1 21:48
十七回合
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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-1 21:50
故而大部份答卷主
著法最後的勝法就會不盡相同，
其原因在於有的多“將軍”幾步，
有的少“將軍”幾步。其實只要
是無謂的著法，例如毫無意義的
送吃、不起變化的反復“將軍”、
例勝時續弈至擒住黑將等等，都
不計算有效著數。
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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 08:29
14樓12回合是走進士

13回合以後參看云庫有勝法
用 兵換炮型成例勝局面

明白，知道，如果紅勝十二回合黑不應走士５进６
走炮５进３，炮５进３紅亦不能勝。

主變第十三回合此時可應走士５进６，這裡有分別。
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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 09:23
本帖最后由 奇蹟三號 于 2022-3-2 09:25 编辑

兌炮的變化云庫也有勝法
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_45]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
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走炮６进３



作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 09:42
紅會勝嗎?
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-3-2 09:46
奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-2 09:23
兌炮的變化云庫也有勝法

以下是云库链接，可在左边选择自动走红，你执黑在棋盘上走。

http://www.chessdb.cn/query/?2N2k3/2n1P4/5a3/9/9/9/9/3A5/4A4/5K3%20b
作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 13:41
好，明白，知道，紅確認可勝。
作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 15:52
好，知道，紅會勝。
作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 20:19
請提出寶貴意見
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[DhtmlXQ_comment23_34]！！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_52]黑长将必须变招！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_71]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_77]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_49]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_52]黑长将必须变招！[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_15]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_18]这样还能赛马吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_18]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_25]至此脱帽。||以下马术大赛。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_23]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_9]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_9]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-3-2 20:48
奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-2 20:19
請提出寶貴意見

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[DhtmlXQ_comment23_34]！！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_52]黑长将必须变招！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_71]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_77]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_49]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_52]黑长将必须变招！[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_15]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_18]这样还能赛马吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_18]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_25]至此脱帽。||以下马术大赛。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_23]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_9]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_9]
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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 21:43
yjr123多謝你的寶貴意見，紅方第四回合
走仕四進五看來有些不行，要改用仕六進五。
作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-2 21:49

  1. 马九进七  炮３平４    2. 帅五进一  炮４平３
  3. 帅五进一  炮３平４    4. 仕六进五  炮４平３
  5. 仕五进六

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[DhtmlXQ_comment52]黑长将必须变招！[/DhtmlXQ_comment52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_77]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_49]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_52]黑长将必须变招！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_15]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]这样还能赛马吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_18]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_25]至此脱帽。||以下马术大赛。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_67]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment36_23]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_9]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_9]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-3-3 09:32
如果9楼是原征答揭晓的答案，那么第8回合红走得不精确，12回合和9楼11回合相比，就炮差一格，应该对局势没有影响。那么黑方如何最顽强？红方能否保持赛马的意图呢？
赛马只是其中一种胜法，而且是最容易出错的胜法。

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-3-3 11:07
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作者: 奇蹟三號    时间: 2022-3-3 13:19
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]正確走炮九平八[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]馬術大賽[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63]胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]脫帽欣賞馬術[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]这样还能赛马吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_23]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_23]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]红得子胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-3-3 13:24
聨吟客 发表于 2022-3-3 11:18
想到
裘朢禹少子百局譜

在没有云库和棋软的年代，这种残局难度很高，实战基本都是错进错出，排局谱也不例外。
这4局云库显示都是和棋，应该也不会有棋规问题。
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奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-3 13:19

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