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作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-8-19 18:03
标题: 跨海征东局着法修正
本帖最后由 xqahz010 于 2022-8-19 18:05 编辑

黑2路車在3路着法一样
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[DhtmlXQ_comment71]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_63]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-8-21 16:59
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_71]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_63]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]
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作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-8-21 17:12
本帖最后由 xqahz010 于 2022-8-21 17:20 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2022-8-21 16:59

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-8-21 23:10
這可能是樓主的重大發現 (不知以前有無人提出發表過)
推翻了舊有的走法

不知余老師趙老師邢老師曾老師敖老師大濕等認為呢

作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-8-22 12:08
着法补充修正
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[DhtmlXQ_comment54]牵制成和[/DhtmlXQ_comment54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_41]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-8-24 11:05
版主們這帖子怎麼沒有被選為精華

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-8-24 12:04
这是谁的改局？既然是某本棋谱的改局，那么哪来的原谱及各诠注本（第9回合注）？难道各诠注本都采用这个改局？

网上的着法直接转过来的？

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-8-24 16:14
古譜就有這圖應是說此局的走法詮正
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-8-24 16:26
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2022-8-24 18:03 编辑

查了一下白老師周老師詮注的心武殘編的月明三五局說保留原譜第7變新編走法

已有修正

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-8-24 16:38
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作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-8-24 16:45
我也有这变，但我觉得比较软，所以重新走了变着

作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-8-25 18:53

yjr123 发表于 2022-8-24 12:04
这是谁的改局？既然是某本棋谱的改局，那么哪来的原谱及各诠注本（第9回合注）？难道各诠注本都采用这个改 ...

这是徐家亮、苏德龙版百局象棋谱修改图，在江湖八大排局网络版棋库里也有此局

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2022-8-25 18:57
月明三五原局无误，改成这样就没有必要了

作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-8-25 19:01

★星海★ 发表于 2022-8-25 18:57
月明三五原局无误，改成这样就没有必要了

曾老师，这是跨海征东两个改图，实际着法一样一样的，只不过2路車多费一滴油

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2022-8-25 19:13
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2022-8-26 11:43 编辑

xqahz010 发表于 2022-8-25 19:01
曾老师，这是跨海征东两个改图，实际着法一样一样的，只不过2路車多费一滴油

不是改图，七路兵是原图，八路兵黑胜局才是改图。
心武残编的月明三五就是原局，后面出现的都是改局。

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