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[排局诠正] “鸿雁双飞”大探讨!!!

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发表于 2014-5-12 21:07:53 | 显示全部楼层
回复3楼,黑胜着法不对。如下

第12回合,红走,可按注解走兵四平五(3楼注“?”认为劣)
至26回合,红走,应炮五退五打掉黑卒,和棋。所以黑胜不成立。

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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]象棋谱大全[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是著名的大型排局之一,列原谱卷二的首局,变化十分复杂,末后形成炮兵残局,有很大的实用价值。全局原谱共列出31变局,结论是红先和。比《百局象棋谱》晚16年问世的《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时,在着法上作了很多补充,共列正变79个着法,改名为“鸿雁惊寒”,但结论不变,仍是红先和。其实正确的结论应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]此乃未雨绸缪之着,防黑下着炮3平5后,黑6路卒有平中叫将的可能,故先飞相拆除炮架。此外,另有两种着法:||||如图局面,原谱有30变局,整理归纳以后,黑方有三种主要变着:[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]此时原谱另有两种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]损失步数,以致红方有和局的可能,此着应改卒5平4,则有很多取胜机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]弃兵意在引回黑炮,争取时间。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]暗藏杀手,剑拔弩张,红以固守化险为夷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]喂炮后成妙和,着法精彩。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]双相高飞,点题“鸿雁双飞”[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]原谱27变局,此着黑方改走炮5平8,演变结果黑胜,原注是“红帅踱下劣黑胜”[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]原谱9变局,双飞相黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]此着黑应炮5平8[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]原谱10变局,黑炮偷红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]原谱2变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]原谱5变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]原谱6变局,黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]原谱7变局,黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]否则,黑方可利用红炮的不利位置而走卒5平4,迫红帅退至下二路,然后以炮双卒轻易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_52]得兵黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_34]缓着,应改走炮5进3,黑有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_75]《竹香斋象戏谱》“鸿雁惊寒”主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]原谱3变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]原谱4变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]原谱20变局遮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]鸿雁双飞的点题着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]原谱8变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]原谱16变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]原谱11变局回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]下略,和局(原谱24变局)[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]![/DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]原谱13变局,回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]原谱12变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]原谱22变局黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]原谱23变局拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]原谱21变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]原谱25变局,回炮红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]?||应改炮5进1,黑有取胜着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]原谱14变局兵占中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]此着原谱走炮5退7,不够积极有力,现改炮5进1紧逼一着。如红置之不理,黑卒6平5,即成绝杀。因此,红方唯有帅六退一,则黑再退炮打兵,可赢得一步棋的时间。以下不论红帅六进一或帅六退一,均为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]伏卒6平5杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]原谱26变局,拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]红方双兵拉上手,以下九路兵渡河作战,黑将束手待擒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]原谱15变局,炮守兵和||||以上是《百局象棋谱》中“鸿雁双飞”一局的着法介绍。应当说明的是,为便于后人得窥原谱的庐山真面目,着法中除对误刻部分已作改正、特别繁复的变着有所删节外,基本上保持古谱原貌。另外,为便于读者赏析和进一步研究,诠注者在必要处加入注释。原谱关于“鸿雁双飞”局共列31个变局46变着,着法变化十分复杂,其中正官着法的最终结论是红先和。《竹香斋象戏谱》收入本局后,增为79变着,改局名为“鸿雁惊寒”,但结论不变,仍是红先和。现经反复研究,两部古谱关于此局的结论看来都是错误的,正确的结论应是红先黑胜。对此,已故象棋评论家张雄飞在他的遗稿《“鸿雁惊寒”商讨发凡》中已有论述,遗稿经排局名家周孟芳整理补充以后,由象棋名家王启宏选收在《弈海鸿泥》一书中。据编选者按,张雄飞研究此局颇有心得,他生前曾函编选者谈及此局,说他前后十余年,大大小小的条子写了不少,拟变不下数百则,初步的结论是红先黑胜。但由于变化十分复杂,尚未敢自信。张雄飞在研究此局中发现第18着黑方炮3平5以后,黑有取胜之道。经笔者反复研究,第18着时黑方在原谱列出的另两种变着炮3进1和炮3平8也有取胜之道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]亦和(原谱15变局变着)[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]原谱18变局炮守兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]18变局变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]红帅压卒逼和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]原谱30变局,劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]原谱19变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]兵遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]原谱28变局,此着红自变兵二平三,黑卒4进1劣,结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]炮卒互扼守卫和。(原谱17变局,但原谱着法有误,实际上黑炮8平5打兵这一变黑有取胜之道)[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]以下连续挺卒,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]以上均31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]双方互相要杀,不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]黑胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]此着原谱为炮7进3,着法比较消极,错过胜机。现改炮7进2打将,投石问路,这是黑方制胜的重要途径。![/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]!张云川棋友认为,这样可走成黑棋迫使红炮长捉黑卒之局面,按现行国内棋规,判黑胜。||||  【大征西 注】[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]误[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment71_35]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment71_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_39]以下仍可和!此时暂略[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_39]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_45]至此,红炮长捉黑卒,不变作负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment51]这样和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
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大征西 发表于 2014-5-13 12:53
黑有取胜手段,按注解走兵四平五?实误也!黑可胜!!!

红续走帅五平四,怎样胜?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是著名的大型排局之一,列原谱卷二的首局,变化十分复杂,末后形成炮兵残局,有很大的实用价值。全局原谱共列出31变局,结论是红先和。比《百局象棋谱》晚16年问世的《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时,在着法上作了很多补充,共列正变79个着法,改名为“鸿雁惊寒”,但结论不变,仍是红先和。其实正确的结论应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]此乃未雨绸缪之着,防黑下着炮3平5后,黑6路卒有平中叫将的可能,故先飞相拆除炮架。此外,另有两种着法:||||如图局面,原谱有30变局,整理归纳以后,黑方有三种主要变着:[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]此时原谱另有两种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]损失步数,以致红方有和局的可能,此着应改卒5平4,则有很多取胜机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]弃兵意在引回黑炮,争取时间。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]暗藏杀手,剑拔弩张,红以固守化险为夷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]喂炮后成妙和,着法精彩。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]双相高飞,点题“鸿雁双飞”[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]原谱27变局,此着黑方改走炮5平8,演变结果黑胜,原注是“红帅踱下劣黑胜”[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]原谱9变局,双飞相黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]此着黑应炮5平8[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]原谱10变局,黑炮偷红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]原谱2变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]原谱5变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]原谱6变局,黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]原谱7变局,黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]否则,黑方可利用红炮的不利位置而走卒5平4,迫红帅退至下二路,然后以炮双卒轻易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_52]得兵黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_34]缓着,应改走炮5进3,黑有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_75]《竹香斋象戏谱》“鸿雁惊寒”主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]原谱3变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]原谱4变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]原谱20变局遮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]鸿雁双飞的点题着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]原谱8变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]原谱16变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]原谱11变局回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]下略,和局(原谱24变局)[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]![/DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]原谱13变局,回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]原谱12变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]原谱22变局黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]原谱23变局拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]原谱21变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]原谱25变局,回炮红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]?||应改炮5进1,黑有取胜着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]原谱14变局兵占中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]此着原谱走炮5退7,不够积极有力,现改炮5进1紧逼一着。如红置之不理,黑卒6平5,即成绝杀。因此,红方唯有帅六退一,则黑再退炮打兵,可赢得一步棋的时间。以下不论红帅六进一或帅六退一,均为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]伏卒6平5杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]原谱26变局,拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]红方双兵拉上手,以下九路兵渡河作战,黑将束手待擒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]原谱15变局,炮守兵和||||以上是《百局象棋谱》中“鸿雁双飞”一局的着法介绍。应当说明的是,为便于后人得窥原谱的庐山真面目,着法中除对误刻部分已作改正、特别繁复的变着有所删节外,基本上保持古谱原貌。另外,为便于读者赏析和进一步研究,诠注者在必要处加入注释。原谱关于“鸿雁双飞”局共列31个变局46变着,着法变化十分复杂,其中正官着法的最终结论是红先和。《竹香斋象戏谱》收入本局后,增为79变着,改局名为“鸿雁惊寒”,但结论不变,仍是红先和。现经反复研究,两部古谱关于此局的结论看来都是错误的,正确的结论应是红先黑胜。对此,已故象棋评论家张雄飞在他的遗稿《“鸿雁惊寒”商讨发凡》中已有论述,遗稿经排局名家周孟芳整理补充以后,由象棋名家王启宏选收在《弈海鸿泥》一书中。据编选者按,张雄飞研究此局颇有心得,他生前曾函编选者谈及此局,说他前后十余年,大大小小的条子写了不少,拟变不下数百则,初步的结论是红先黑胜。但由于变化十分复杂,尚未敢自信。张雄飞在研究此局中发现第18着黑方炮3平5以后,黑有取胜之道。经笔者反复研究,第18着时黑方在原谱列出的另两种变着炮3进1和炮3平8也有取胜之道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]亦和(原谱15变局变着)[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]原谱18变局炮守兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]18变局变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]红帅压卒逼和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]原谱30变局,劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]原谱19变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]兵遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]原谱28变局,此着红自变兵二平三,黑卒4进1劣,结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]炮卒互扼守卫和。(原谱17变局,但原谱着法有误,实际上黑炮8平5打兵这一变黑有取胜之道)[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]以下连续挺卒,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]以上均31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]双方互相要杀,不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]黑胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]此着原谱为炮7进3,着法比较消极,错过胜机。现改炮7进2打将,投石问路,这是黑方制胜的重要途径。![/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]!张云川棋友认为,这样可走成黑棋迫使红炮长捉黑卒之局面,按现行国内棋规,判黑胜。||||  【大征西 注】[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]误[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment71_39]以下仍可和!此时暂略[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_39]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_45]至此,红炮长捉黑卒,不变作负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment75_51]这样和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment42]这样![/DhtmlXQ_comment42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46]![/DhtmlXQ_comment46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52]黑可胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment52]
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发表于 2014-5-13 22:49:33 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-5-13 20:48
补充30回合帅五平六一变!


回复23楼 红第24回合改走它着。
我之所以提出这个变化,是因为最后局面同《江湖第一排局-鸿雁双飞》中的附录9 图一相同,(区别是先走方差异)书中写为和棋。见下帖

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是著名的大型排局之一,列原谱卷二的首局,变化十分复杂,末后形成炮兵残局,有很大的实用价值。全局原谱共列出31变局,结论是红先和。比《百局象棋谱》晚16年问世的《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时,在着法上作了很多补充,共列正变79个着法,改名为“鸿雁惊寒”,但结论不变,仍是红先和。其实正确的结论应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]此乃未雨绸缪之着,防黑下着炮3平5后,黑6路卒有平中叫将的可能,故先飞相拆除炮架。此外,另有两种着法:||||如图局面,原谱有30变局,整理归纳以后,黑方有三种主要变着:[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]此时原谱另有两种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]损失步数,以致红方有和局的可能,此着应改卒5平4,则有很多取胜机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]弃兵意在引回黑炮,争取时间。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]暗藏杀手,剑拔弩张,红以固守化险为夷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]喂炮后成妙和,着法精彩。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]双相高飞,点题“鸿雁双飞”[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]原谱27变局,此着黑方改走炮5平8,演变结果黑胜,原注是“红帅踱下劣黑胜”[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]原谱9变局,双飞相黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]此着黑应炮5平8[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]原谱10变局,黑炮偷红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]原谱2变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]原谱5变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]原谱6变局,黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]原谱7变局,黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]否则,黑方可利用红炮的不利位置而走卒5平4,迫红帅退至下二路,然后以炮双卒轻易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_52]得兵黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_34]缓着,应改走炮5进3,黑有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_75]《竹香斋象戏谱》“鸿雁惊寒”主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]原谱3变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]原谱4变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]原谱20变局遮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]鸿雁双飞的点题着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]原谱8变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]原谱16变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]原谱11变局回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]下略,和局(原谱24变局)[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]![/DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]原谱13变局,回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]原谱12变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]原谱22变局黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]原谱23变局拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]原谱21变局,炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]原谱25变局,回炮红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]?||应改炮5进1,黑有取胜着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]原谱14变局兵占中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]此着原谱走炮5退7,不够积极有力,现改炮5进1紧逼一着。如红置之不理,黑卒6平5,即成绝杀。因此,红方唯有帅六退一,则黑再退炮打兵,可赢得一步棋的时间。以下不论红帅六进一或帅六退一,均为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]伏卒6平5杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]原谱26变局,拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]红方双兵拉上手,以下九路兵渡河作战,黑将束手待擒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]原谱15变局,炮守兵和||||以上是《百局象棋谱》中“鸿雁双飞”一局的着法介绍。应当说明的是,为便于后人得窥原谱的庐山真面目,着法中除对误刻部分已作改正、特别繁复的变着有所删节外,基本上保持古谱原貌。另外,为便于读者赏析和进一步研究,诠注者在必要处加入注释。原谱关于“鸿雁双飞”局共列31个变局46变着,着法变化十分复杂,其中正官着法的最终结论是红先和。《竹香斋象戏谱》收入本局后,增为79变着,改局名为“鸿雁惊寒”,但结论不变,仍是红先和。现经反复研究,两部古谱关于此局的结论看来都是错误的,正确的结论应是红先黑胜。对此,已故象棋评论家张雄飞在他的遗稿《“鸿雁惊寒”商讨发凡》中已有论述,遗稿经排局名家周孟芳整理补充以后,由象棋名家王启宏选收在《弈海鸿泥》一书中。据编选者按,张雄飞研究此局颇有心得,他生前曾函编选者谈及此局,说他前后十余年,大大小小的条子写了不少,拟变不下数百则,初步的结论是红先黑胜。但由于变化十分复杂,尚未敢自信。张雄飞在研究此局中发现第18着黑方炮3平5以后,黑有取胜之道。经笔者反复研究,第18着时黑方在原谱列出的另两种变着炮3进1和炮3平8也有取胜之道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]亦和(原谱15变局变着)[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]原谱18变局炮守兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]18变局变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]红帅压卒逼和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]原谱30变局,劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]原谱19变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]兵遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]原谱28变局,此着红自变兵二平三,黑卒4进1劣,结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]炮卒互扼守卫和。(原谱17变局,但原谱着法有误,实际上黑炮8平5打兵这一变黑有取胜之道)[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]以下连续挺卒,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]以上均31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]双方互相要杀,不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]黑胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]此着原谱为炮7进3,着法比较消极,错过胜机。现改炮7进2打将,投石问路,这是黑方制胜的重要途径。![/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]!张云川棋友认为,这样可走成黑棋迫使红炮长捉黑卒之局面,按现行国内棋规,判黑胜。||||  【大征西 注】[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]误[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment71_35]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment71_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_39]以下仍可和!此时暂略[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_39]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_45]至此,红炮长捉黑卒,不变作负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment75_51]这样和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment42]这样![/DhtmlXQ_comment42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46]![/DhtmlXQ_comment46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_52]黑可胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment76_82]黑胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment76_82]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment77_60]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_60]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment80_64]演变下去,黑亦可胜!||||此时暂略![/DhtmlXQ_comment80_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_70]至此,黑炮又灭掉红兵,胜利在望也!![/DhtmlXQ_comment79_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_80]黑妙胜!!![/DhtmlXQ_comment79_80]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment78_61]应这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_78]黑胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment80_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_82]这样可胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_82]
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4#
发表于 2014-5-14 00:48:33 | 显示全部楼层
其实,《江湖第一排局-鸿雁双飞》书中,走到14楼、23楼及25楼的第19回合结束时,如下图

此时轮红走,书中有简明的变化,红走炮六平八(见书上册第193页,附录9 图一。演变几招后,又归到附录8第19着)
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[DhtmlXQ_comment79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]||原注:||(与附录8第19着以后着法相同)||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9][DhtmlXQ_comment8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
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其中很多变招,未一一研究。照录如上。
5#
发表于 2014-5-18 17:42:50 | 显示全部楼层
回复56楼,这个局面难道不是和棋吗?
我看我真需要重新学习一下残局定式了!

发一个去掉黑底卒的局面,
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链接一个PAI 残局库的解法页面。库中是和棋。
http://lpforth.forthfreak.net/xiangqi-js/xiangqi.htm?4C44K494p4994P494k49

鸿雁双飞的红方防守思想其中之一,就是弃炮引黑低卒落地求和。
如果这一定式改变了,那黑棋是必胜无误了。


6#
发表于 2014-5-30 16:29:52 | 显示全部楼层
曲曲惊风吹客梦
又语南飞意不通
皓鹤排云晴未尽
去若来时事不同


余兄的结论,不管你信不信,反正我是信了!

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7#
发表于 2014-6-1 09:21:27 | 显示全部楼层
蒋兄是认定此局式黑胜了吗?不如您和余兄打个擂台。
规则如下:
从下楼开始,用89楼的初始局面,由余兄执红先行第一步,发一个帖;蒋兄执黑应对一招,回一个帖,轮流回复,直至分出胜和。因已研究很透彻了,时间要求10分钟内回复,这样十几步内(十几个贴子)即可得出结论。
二位认为如何?
8#
发表于 2014-6-1 22:42:45 | 显示全部楼层
糊糊涂涂,上楼(95楼)的起初局面不就是89楼的初始局面吗?

初始局面即一开始的局面,不是最终局面。

点击下面的链接,直接在线研讨吧http://www.renrousousuo.com/Chin ... nnel=chineseChess22

约个时间,每天晚20时开始等候。
9#
发表于 2014-6-6 07:35:12 | 显示全部楼层
蒋兄很幽默,输棋不输人!

我在25楼、26楼的帖子,意思是说书中的着法有错误,可以黑胜。但如果应对无误的话,结论是和棋。

如你104楼所说,“第2回合黑改走它着,可以黑胜”,因红在将军,将无法动,黑只有改走卒6平7,改走平7后,我也看不出黑方如何获胜?

棋艺研究说不严肃是仁者见仁智者见智,说严肃是结论不能以讹传讹,混淆是非,特别是在网络上,对棋局结论要服从客观的结果,以具体着法来说话,少一些意气用事的“大话”。为现在排局界及后人留下一些清晰的结论,避免后人拿我们诠正过的棋局再诠正,看我们的“笑话”。

以此和大家共勉。
10#
发表于 2014-6-7 10:18:55 | 显示全部楼层
这局棋的提问应该是:黑怎么胜?而不是红怎么和。所以黑方要列举黑胜的着法。

另外,蒋兄帖子中说:
“赵兄认为,104楼 第2回合。。。“黑只有改走卒6平7,改走平7后,我也看不出黑方如何获胜?”
这话说得不错。也就是说,赵兄您认为,黑走卒6平7后,黑不能胜,仍是和。那好,就请您给出红棋的和棋着法,看看究竟能不能成立。这总可以吧!

这句话有演绎之处,我说“我也看不出黑方如何获胜?”,但我没说“仍是和”,即我不排除黑有胜的可能,但我的棋力看不出。

既然以着法为准,我就接一招。
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11#
发表于 2014-6-9 08:36:13 | 显示全部楼层
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12#
发表于 2014-6-11 12:44:47 | 显示全部楼层
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13#
发表于 2014-6-12 16:37:47 | 显示全部楼层
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14#
发表于 2014-6-14 08:44:37 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-13 23:56

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15#
发表于 2014-6-14 13:08:22 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-14 13:02

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16#
发表于 2014-6-15 21:42:21 | 显示全部楼层
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17#
发表于 2014-6-16 10:52:53 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-16 02:10

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18#
发表于 2014-6-16 11:53:11 | 显示全部楼层
我猜蒋兄在试应招,下步他就走卒4平5了。
19#
发表于 2014-6-17 00:20:23 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-17 00:19


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20#
发表于 2014-6-17 00:28:18 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-17 00:21

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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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21#
发表于 2014-6-19 01:22:31 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-19 00:18

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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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22#
发表于 2014-6-20 14:00:45 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-20 00:32

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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]533420[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]象棋谱大全[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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23#
发表于 2014-6-20 21:39:56 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-20 20:44

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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]533420[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]象棋谱大全[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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24#
发表于 2014-6-21 00:41:54 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-21 00:09

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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]533420[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]象棋谱大全[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_movelist]19595868373850513343463659394030433336263343304039592636593940304333362633433070395926363848514107253637595870405854[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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25#
发表于 2014-6-21 01:22:42 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-21 01:11

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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]象棋谱大全[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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26#
发表于 2014-6-21 01:32:27 | 显示全部楼层
先讨论完153楼,让这一变有结论再说。
我就自己接下去153楼的着法吧。
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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_2]37384847[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37][DhtmlXQ_comment47]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment47]
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27#
发表于 2014-6-21 01:55:24 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-21 01:30
这样如何应

现在回复154楼。
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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]![/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_2]3637595870405854404354646878[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_2]
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28#
发表于 2014-6-22 13:44:35 | 显示全部楼层
大征西 发表于 2014-6-22 12:25

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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软,黑应改着仍可胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样,红怎么和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
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