请教,这局面黑犯规吗.

桑莫喜

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bh22wsc

应该不算犯规

炎与夜

应该算犯规，一杀一捉属于两打。另外根据当前局面，平卒捉马的时候红方应该进兵做杀，如果单纯讲棋规则应该属于两打。2楼王叔这样说依我猜测应该是给你面子，呵呵。

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会心斋

第11回合黑象1退3速败，因红可车四平六速胜！第11回合黑象9退7顽强些，但红车四平三或车四平八仍能胜。

会心斋

1、2路卒要摆在3、4路遮头才和。

炎与夜

聨吟客 发表于 2013-8-6 04:58
忘了兵卒捉子算閑著

如果兵卒、将帅捉子算闲着等属实，那么只能说象棋规则耍无奈的走法多了起来，也即虽然并不违规（前提是属实），但会在某种程度上降低象棋的趣味，多种情况都可以利用这种棋规谋和、或者致胜，呵呵。笔者将在《偏》中规定一些特殊棋规，不允许这类耍赖的走法，以提升《偏》的质量。特殊棋规只在《偏》中成立、专用于《偏》，不同于比赛等其它棋规。而将来如果《偏》有幸得以风行、深入人心，可能会采纳这些新棋规用于比赛等，则是未来的事情，呵呵。反正规则经常在不断修订、逐步完善。

聨吟客

炎与夜 发表于 2013-8-6 10:07
如果兵卒、将帅捉子算闲着等属实，那么只能说象棋规则耍无奈的走法多了起来，呵呵。

大陸規則曾經有兵卒(與將帥?)長捉子可,但同時也允許對方長打,  但後來取消了允許對方長打,呵呵......

我個人認為兵卒將帥可長捉子,同時也允許對方長打,是不錯的規則,  不知道後來為何又取消允許對方長打?

炎与夜

聨吟客 发表于 2013-8-6 10:18
大陸規則曾經有兵卒(與將帥?)長捉子可,但同時也允許對方長打,  但後來取消了允許對方長打,呵呵......

...

我觉得这样的规则并不算好，不变作和无聊的情况会越来越多了起来。

聨吟客

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炎与夜 发表于 2013-8-6 10:25
我觉得这样的规则并不算好，不变作和无聊的情况会越来越多了起来。

互相長打本就算和,只是優待兵卒將帥仍可單方面長捉

炎与夜

在过去的江湖八大排局中，有些就是因为棋规问题不再适合作新的江湖名局，我说的对吧。

聨吟客

呵呵,反正那種規則已經取消, 多說無益,-而兵卒將帥可長捉子也不太可能修改了,  這影響太鉅大了

聨吟客

炎与夜 发表于 2013-8-6 10:46
在过去的江湖八大排局中，有些就是因为棋规问题不再适合作新的江湖名局，我说的对吧。

那要看具體個案犯了何種規則, 例如蚯蚓降龍適合用亞洲規則不適合用大陸規則,七星聚會用亞洲規則就沒意思了
,

yjr123

桑莫喜 发表于 2013-8-5 22:04
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  多谢各位.