双虎戏龙···改拟局

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-1-13 19:13:51

应启忠老师之邀，请大家指正重新修改局 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9982875949999985999999143199999958990241405099999999990818639999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]双虎戏龙[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-1-14 14:09:57

对不起楼上棋图有误，已重新编辑修改。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-1-14 16:50:18

卒在这个位置加一士可成立。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9974695949399985999999253199999958990241405099999999990818639999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]双虎戏龙[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-1-14 20:06:25

卒在这个位置加一士可成立。[/quote] 加相要比加士难度大一些 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9974695949992985999999253199999958990241405099999999990818639999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]双虎戏龙[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-1-15 19:47:30

自我感觉，这样修改较好，请大家拆解 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9982695949999985999999311399999958992050404102999999996308189999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]双虎戏龙[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-1-16 20:47:39

我代表全体华工棋友（除了楼主的搭档星海之外）向楼主说一句：不是不想回复，实在是解不开呀！

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-1-16 21:57:08

我代表全体华工棋友（除了楼主的搭档星海之外）向楼主说一句：不是不想回复，实在是解不开呀！[/quote] 王老弟太自谦了，其难度也不是太大，远不如我那局定国安邦，只不过是这局着法有些散，有些难以入手而已。

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-1-22 11:20:01

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-1-22 11:40:54

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-1-28 11:16:18

黑方应着不正确[/quote] 这样呢？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]520,450[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_movelist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htmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_binit]nn82nn5949nn6985nnnnnnnn31nn13nnnnnn0241405020nn58nnnn0818nn63nn[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_comment92]黑常捉违例，红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment92] [DhtmlXQ_comment128]红胜定。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment128] [/DhtmlXQ]

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-1-28 22:21:21

这样呢？[/quote] 前面红走了缓着，但也算正确。后面黑应着依然不正确，红速胜了。

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-4 09:39:32

邢春波发表于 2014-1-28 22:21
前面红走了缓着，但也算正确。后面黑应着依然不正确，红速胜了。

这局棋与棋规有关，这样如何

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-4 10:30:40

杨启忠发表于 2014-2-4 09:39
这局棋与棋规有关，这样如何

其中变化的确与棋规有关
12楼的着法是此局的一个变化，不是主变。
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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-4 10:54:10

邢春波发表于 2014-2-4 10:30
其中变化的确与棋规有关
12楼的着法是此局的一个变化，不是主变。

嗯，不错。以后可利用棋规，运马到位后取胜。此局还真是难局：三相御强敌，七卒铸棋魂。大帅登高楼，烈马跃长城。

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-15 21:59:04

完整着法
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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-16 13:49:44

邢春波发表于 2014-2-15 21:59
完整着法

红不动八路兵，也可取胜。第15回合改走后马退二，可利用棋规取胜。

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-16 16:52:11

杨启忠发表于 2014-2-16 13:49
红不动八路兵，也可取胜。第15回合改走后马退二，可利用棋规取胜。

楼上7回合黑可改走车6平8
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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-16 19:54:03

邢春波发表于 2014-2-16 16:52
楼上7回合黑可改走车6平8

这个棋局的一些变化还真有意思楼上8回合黑车8平6，并非还原：红黑棋先后手交换，此时轮红行棋，试试看这个变化

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-16 20:35:52

杨启忠发表于 2014-2-16 19:54
这个棋局的一些变化还真有意思楼上8回合黑车8平6，并非还原：红黑棋先后手交换，此时轮红行棋，试试看这个 ...

这样红怎么办
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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-17 08:48:06

邢春波发表于 2014-2-16 20:35
这样红怎么办

好!还有一个变化：

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-17 10:25:57

杨启忠发表于 2014-2-17 08:48
好!还有一个变化：

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-17 10:31:11

杨启忠发表于 2014-2-16 13:49
红不动八路兵，也可取胜。第15回合改走后马退二，可利用棋规取胜。

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-17 11:20:45

邢春波发表于 2014-2-17 10:31

21#红接着走马一进二即可，22#这样如何

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-17 16:17:57

杨启忠发表于 2014-2-16 13:49
红不动八路兵，也可取胜。第15回合改走后马退二，可利用棋规取胜。

16楼这局面，紅动八路兵是为了调整先后手，然后才能取胜。16楼不动八路兵想胜，就要想别的办法交换先后手。黑如果这样走呢。
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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-18 11:02:20

邢春波发表于 2014-2-17 16:17
16楼这局面，紅动八路兵是为了调整先后手，然后才能取胜。16楼不动八路兵想胜，就要想别的办法交换先后手 ...

红更速：

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-18 11:06:24

又及：15#24回合黑应走象3进1，成高象局，红难胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-2-18 12:11:43

象3進1紅速勝

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-2-18 12:29:20

★星海★ 发表于 2014-2-18 12:11
象3進1紅速勝

敬请曾兄明示，我确实没搞明白。

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-18 18:33:19

杨启忠发表于 2014-2-18 12:29
敬请曾兄明示，我确实没搞明白。

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-2-18 19:01:04

本帖最后由邢春波于 2014-2-18 19:03 编辑

初拟此局时，红兵设在七路河口制象，就是无法交换先手，而该设在八路象眼位，我倒是希望不动八路兵而也能获胜，从而实现最初的设想，使此局的质量再上个台阶。
但还有疑问
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