《少子百局谱》中的“千里行军”

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-5 13:24:20

裘望禹老先生的“千里行军”用子少、着法精妙实用，深得人们喜爱。可惜原谱着法和结论有误。研究发现，第3回合卒2进1一变红方无法取胜。yjr123发现了更为简捷的求和方法：第3回合卒2平1可成速和。除此之外，原谱着法还有一些不当之处，比较严重的是28回合兵六平七，原注：取胜最后关键，实则是大劣着，红方失去最后胜机。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999999999996660512699998230404199999999991599999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-10-3 9:11:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-10-3 9:28:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]014局千里行军[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]59498260666560824948826065646082647482607473608248498260738315162625162625242636242336462333415033433041516141526160504149394636434240308373303173633130635330313938313060504150425250415242304053634150423240306353504132223040222141302131304153434130434240504252364638484656485850405251[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_1]3637384837275040304042524030524241505343304043332737333237274838504132314130313040504241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_34_2]36468373463673633646635346363938364653434636433336463323463623224030222136373848372760504150425250415242415042325041213130403141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_34_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_56_3]27174232[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_56_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_4]434240308373465673635646635346566050564649484656534356464333465633235646232246565040304042525646525141502232504132314152[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_43_5]5040304042525646524241505343504143334130333230413231413042523041525141524838463638393637[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_43_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_6]403061603031434231308373303173633130635330315343313043333031605041503332313049394636393836463231[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_42_7]4636605041503332364649394636393830403231[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_42_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_42_8]30406050415033325041323141304252304152514152494846474838[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_42_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_9]3332304132314132837350417363608263538264[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_9_27_10]3242413042523041526240306261608283823031[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_27_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_11]7372151626251626252426362423364623334150334330415161415261605041493946367262403060503031504036374342373839493828[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_12]151626251626252426362434364634444152483830414443463651614030617130314353313053633031637331307383303183823130656430316454313054533031827231307262303162524152535231327161323161513132514136373848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_13]607041526665304159494030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_13] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]335[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_class]象棋棋谱大全-近现代残排局[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_event]少子百局谱[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_round]少子百局谱[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]裘望禹[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]秀行先生[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_hits]50[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]6767260[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]桑莫喜[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]桑莫喜[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]原谱是蜀蓉棋艺出版社出版的《少子百局谱》，著者裘望禹，校对朱鹤洲。现根据原谱着法制成.XQF文件。共百余局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment55]取胜最后关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment55] [DhtmlXQ_comment71]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_65]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_65] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_65]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_65] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_57]绝杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_57] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_60]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_64]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_64] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_55]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_34]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_36]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_42]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_20]如象9退7，前兵进一，与正着相仿，红早胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_53]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_6]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_6] [/DhtmlXQ] 要维持原谱结论不难，稍稍修改棋图即可。在原图的基础上加一相，即可走成红胜，着法与原谱相仿，可惜的是，用子由原来的10子变成11子，不能再称为少子局了。为使裘老前辈的心血不至于付诸东流，权衡再三，改图如下：

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-5 13:26:09

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 18:31:53

呵呵, 先前星海兄擺一路相的勝不了,　改左相就能勝了

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 18:52:47

一路相的應是和局

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 19:02:56

如果一定要符合少子為10子之內, 下圖是否可供參考

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-5 20:08:42

如果一定要符合少子為10子之內, 下圖是否可供參考[/quote] 首着平帅叫杀放弃底兵是裘望禹前辈的巧妙构思，应予保留。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-8-5 20:46:04

卒2平1即是闲着又可等取三兵确实是一大疏忽

平原一刀 · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:03:27

若不想要红相，还可以考虑将三路兵移到一路。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:24:09

首着平帅叫杀放弃底兵是裘望禹前辈的巧妙构思，应予保留。[/quote] 不覺得難或精彩,個人感覺如此,5樓2回合也是要平帥的,當然我只是提供另一個參考,是否要維持少子或保留原局形,各位可自行斟酌

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:30:42

8樓的建議也不錯

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:34:53

不大對,8樓象有回中路的棋

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:38:15

邊兵還須擺近兩步

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:41:54

擺近一步就可了

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:47:39

不知道有沒有單雙步的問題/?

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-5 21:57:51

聨吟客发表于 2014-8-5 21:47
不知道有沒有單雙步的問題/?

这局棋某些变化需要相调整单双步才能取胜，13楼可以走和。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 22:06:18

這樣可否
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-5 22:07:50

聨吟客发表于 2014-8-5 22:06
這樣可否

也不行。13楼赢不了的，16楼能赢，16楼赢不了的，13楼能赢。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-5 22:12:21

佩服星海兄的研究, 我是還沒研究,根據經驗與直覺好像與單雙步有關, 所以就提出問問囉

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-5 22:20:07

聨吟客发表于 2014-8-5 22:12
佩服星海兄的研究, 我是還沒研究,根據經驗與直覺好像與單雙步有關, 所以就提出問問囉

如果不考虑卒2平1那步棋，16楼相当于原图，13楼差了一步。所以我只研究了13楼。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-6 13:35:10

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-8-6 13:36 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2014-8-5 21:24
不覺得難或精彩,個人感覺如此,5樓2回合也是要平帥的,當然我只是提供另一個參考,是否要維持少子或保留原局 ...

加了相取胜容易了，所以您不觉得难，不加相又赢不了。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-6 15:07:34

★星海★ 发表于 2014-8-6 13:35
加了相取胜容易了，所以您不觉得难，不加相又赢不了。

加相局仍有值得借鏡之處,我的意思是說首著平帥不難,5樓2回合也是要平帥,如果平帥是關鍵的話,5樓也同樣保留此著, 又可維持少子為10子內的規範,提供這樣的參考

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-6 15:18:22

2樓不一定要首著平帥,這樣第2回合平帥也可以

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-8-6 15:33:03

所以原來有底兵的局面是否算巧思有待商榷,而5樓非要在2回合平帥不可,個人認為去蕪存菁,大家參考斟酌啦............................

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-8-6 16:00:21

我的想法就是尽量维持前辈的创造意图，其余不愿意改动太多。13、16楼的棋图能成立是最理想的，很可惜没有相胜不了。

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