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[原创棋局] 第三纵队 杨启忠 拟局

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发表于 2015-6-14 11:36:18 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
来一则短局,请大家玩玩: [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]520,450[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_binit]nn76nnnn49nnnnnnnnnnnn316682nn00nn86nnnn51nnnnnnnnnn23nnnnnnnn38[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_comment45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment45] [DhtmlXQ_comment51]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment51] [DhtmlXQ_comment75]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment75] [DhtmlXQ_comment95]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment95] [DhtmlXQ_comment113]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment113] [DhtmlXQ_comment119]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment119] [DhtmlXQ_comment133]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment133] [DhtmlXQ_comment137]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment137] [DhtmlXQ_comment149]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment149] [DhtmlXQ_comment151]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment151] [DhtmlXQ_comment169]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment169] [DhtmlXQ_comment183]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment183] [DhtmlXQ_comment193]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment193] [/DhtmlXQ]
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2#
发表于 2015-6-14 22:44:56 | 只看该作者
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9976999949999999999999003166829999869999519999999923993899999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8272[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
3#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-15 13:07:55 | 只看该作者
[/quote] 红酒棋友真是高人啊,只出一招!
4#
发表于 2015-6-15 13:18:55 | 只看该作者
以下黑应招儿很多,全部列出甚为庞杂!红胜结论正确吗?
5#
发表于 2015-6-15 13:31:02 | 只看该作者
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9976999949999999999999003166829999869999519999999923993899999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8272867476643839493923206665202639492646727174826485827485737453716151506564464549594555645453617361[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment25]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment25] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]杨启忠[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
6#
发表于 2015-6-15 13:36:58 | 只看该作者
楼主希望这局是啥结果呢,如果只是要红胜局,九路红底线兵可以不要,或许更好些!
7#
发表于 2015-6-15 14:02:03 | 只看该作者
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队红酒改(红胜局)[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9976999949999999999999316682999999869999519999999923993887999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0] 第三纵队红酒改||||原局为杨启忠提供||||一杯红酒改拟,同样达到红胜局,目的增加红获胜难度![/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
8#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-15 20:47:38 | 只看该作者
以下黑应招儿很多,全部列出甚为庞杂!红胜结论正确吗?[/quote] 红胜结论正确,但着法有问题:5#第2回合黑弃卒没道理,首回合红可兵六平五。
9#
发表于 2015-6-16 00:31:49 | 只看该作者
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队红酒改(红胜局_ 走法1-1)[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9976999949999999999999316682999999869999519999999923993887999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]827286747664877764435152435523225574227266657767656467577466727031417050646357476647524241405051495938484735424135274838405051525958382850605251274651525848521263531218484718104757100046340030342241315343282922013010434210110113291957473130423211101301101160501141012241215040[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第三纵队红酒改||||原局为杨启忠提供||||一杯红酒改拟,同样达到红胜局,目的增加红获胜难度![/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment69]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment69] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-16 07:17:22 | 只看该作者
[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9976999949999999999999316682999999869999519999999923993887999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队红酒改(红胜局)[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]827286747664236364435150314163537271746243226241224150407161533361513331515040504162316166655051[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]第三纵队红酒改||||原局为杨启忠提供||||一杯红酒改拟,同样达到红胜局,目的增加红获胜难度![/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_69] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]877764435152435523225574227266657767656467577466727031417050646357476647524241405051495938484735424135274838405051525958382850605251274651525848521263531218484718104757100046340030342241315343282922013010434210110113291957473130423211101301101160501141012241215040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1][DhtmlXQ_comment4]||这样呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment4] [/DhtmlXQ]
11#
发表于 2015-6-16 10:48:44 | 只看该作者
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队红酒改(红胜局_走法2-1)[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9976999949999999999999316682999999869999519999999923993887999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8272867476642363644351504362505131415152625063606665877765647767647467577262[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment19]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
12#
发表于 2015-6-16 10:49:35 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]第三纵队红酒改(红胜局_走法2-2)[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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13#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-16 11:26:46 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-6-16 00:31

红酒棋友不会在动态棋盘上增加变着吗?9#15回合:卒5进1呢?


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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]第三纵队红酒改||||原局为杨启忠提供||||一杯红酒改拟,同样达到红胜局,目的增加红获胜难度![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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14#
发表于 2015-6-16 11:39:05 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-6-16 13:35 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]第三纵队红酒改||||原局为杨启忠提供||||一杯红酒改拟,同样达到红胜局,目的增加红获胜难度![/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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15#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-16 12:58:14 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-6-16 11:39

17回合,黑将5进1呢
16#
发表于 2015-6-16 13:44:00 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-6-17 01:10 编辑

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17#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-16 14:49:48 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 杨启忠 于 2015-6-16 15:14 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-6-16 13:44

红酒棋友改得好!黑末段还可更顽强些:

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18#
发表于 2015-6-17 01:12:26 | 只看该作者
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19#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-17 12:40:16 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-6-17 01:12

有个变化:5回合卒8平7会怎样?

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20#
发表于 2015-6-17 13:06:14 | 只看该作者
杨启忠 发表于 2015-6-17 12:40
有个变化:5回合卒8平7会怎样?

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21#
发表于 2015-6-17 13:18:54 | 只看该作者
邢春波 发表于 2015-6-17 13:06

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22#
发表于 2015-6-17 13:34:37 | 只看该作者
想要红方胜得困难一些,前面的修改还不理想,5个回合红方优势就很大了,十来个回合就是红胜定,后面着法虽长,用球场上的话说,就是“垃圾时间”。
23#
发表于 2015-6-18 03:37:37 | 只看该作者
      楼上,能否发一个你的理想修改局,红酒到想看看啥是“理想”,也想体会一下啥叫“黄金时间”,而不是“空打吹时间”。
24#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-18 08:28:18 | 只看该作者
     就棋论棋,红酒棋友的改局还是很不错的。唯一不足之处是发帖方式:一变一贴。这样很不方便读者阅读,不利于对作品的整体理解,容易使读者产生支离破碎的感觉。如能像解几何题一样,做到信、达、雅,将几个变化集中到一起就更好了。花了点时间将几个楼层的内容整理了一下,大家看看还有没有补充:

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25#
发表于 2015-6-18 17:13:51 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-6-18 03:37
楼上,能否发一个你的理想修改局,红酒到想看看啥是“理想”,也想体会一下啥叫“黄金时间”,而不是 ...

理想的修改局很难一蹴而就,需要一个研究调整的过程。
如果对前面的棋局改进一下,办法还是很多的。
针对红酒改局头紧尾松的特点,在1·4位加卒,使黑方有反击之力,红方如果走得不紧凑,就有可能被逼和,可以增加一些取胜难度。这与“理想”还有一定距离,还可继续高。杨启忠先生的《利见驰援》就是非常精彩的马兵残局,达到这样的水平,我认为才比较理想。
红酒的着法也有问题,15回合急于捉卒,造成底兵无端丧命,否则,取胜会更容易。
26#
发表于 2015-6-19 00:42:43 | 只看该作者
橘中搜秘 发表于 2015-6-18 17:13
理想的修改局很难一蹴而就,需要一个研究调整的过程。
如果对前面的棋局改进一下,办法还是很多的。
针 ...

1.4位加卒,红如何胜,能发谱说明不?
27#
发表于 2015-6-19 15:12:59 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-6-19 00:42
1.4位加卒,红如何胜,能发谱说明不?

红胜你不用怀疑。
看看你这局:
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28#
发表于 2015-6-20 03:20:59 | 只看该作者
橘中搜秘 发表于 2015-6-19 15:12
红胜你不用怀疑。
看看你这局:

你的这个谱的第8回合,卒4平3劣变
29#
发表于 2015-6-21 11:31:25 | 只看该作者
橘中搜秘 发表于 2015-6-19 15:12
红胜你不用怀疑。
看看你这局:

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30#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-6-22 07:30:18 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-6-21 11:31

红酒棋友,你再看看24#15回合红兵五平四,是否可早胜?

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