虎啸飞鹤（应星海棋友之约特发此局）

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-16 23:26:00

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-19 10:08:00

回上楼.我认为第14回合红走兵七平六.形成这个局面后很微妙.再研究看看..

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-19 10:48:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用棋人ctq在2008-6-19 10:08:00的发言：
回上楼.我认为第14回合红走兵七平六.形成这个局面后很微妙.再研究看看..

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-16 23:50:00

我自己还是看不到棋图。

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-17 07:04:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用棋人ctq在2008-6-16 23:50:00的发言：
我自己还是看不到棋图。

目前使用Windows xp的朋友，如在论坛上打不开java动态棋盘，去下裁、安装java虚拟机。
下载安装即可（点击以下网址）:
http://www.it315.org/download/JavaVM/JavaVM.htm

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667 · 发表于 2008-6-17 08:27:00

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667 · 发表于 2008-6-17 08:29:00

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-17 08:51:00

多谢崔老师！几年前我在陈罗平先生的《世界象棋排局大全》上看到此局，此局着法精妙，图式也很美观。当时只记住了图式，未研究出招法。时隔多年，图式忘记了，依稀记得是崔老师的棋局，所以就请崔老师发了。

管理员667先生的走法只是一路变化，11回合卒6进1吃炮的变化更复杂，红方未必能赢，走不好还要输棋。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-17 09:05:00

我用的也是XP，没装JAVA虚拟机，我能看到图。

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-17 09:23:00

没有安装java虚拟机是不可能看到java棋图的，肯定是已经安装了但你不知道而已。

hzsjy · 发表于 2008-6-17 09:29:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用★星海★在2008-6-17 9:05:00的发言：
我用的也是XP，没装JAVA虚拟机，我能看到图。

先前的版本是在安装时连带安装(所谓捆绑),后来的版本就不捆绑了.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-17 10:45:00

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yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-17 13:31:00

第9回合应该马２退４先运马控制将位，然后再卒６进１吃炮，红方很难守和，似乎黑胜。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-17 15:33:00

记得是1999年,菲律宾陈罗平先生先生向我约稿,他要编辑《世界象棋排局大全》,我给他寄了此局.这些资料已经过了近10年,都保持在老家.前次星海棋友希望我发此局,我怕把图发错,所以一直没有发出.最近我回老家去了一趟,找到了这局.故现在才发出.不过此局变化非常复杂,我自己列了20多个变化.是不是正确,请广大棋友们斧正.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-17 15:47:00

记得是1999年,菲律宾陈罗平先生先生向我约稿,他要编辑《世界象棋排局大全》,我给他寄了此局.这些资料已经过了近10年,都保持在老家.前次星海棋友希望我发此局,我怕把图发错,所以一直没有发出.最近我回老家去了一趟,找到了这局.故现在才发出.不过此局变化非常复杂,我自己列了20多个变化.是不是正确,请广大棋友们斧正.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-17 15:49:00

记得是1999年,菲律宾陈罗平先生先生向我约稿,他要编辑《世界象棋排局大全》,我给他寄了此局.这些资料已经过了近10年,都保持在老家.前次星海棋友希望我发此局,我怕把图发错,所以一直没有发出.最近我回老家去了一趟,找到了这局.故现在才发出.不过此局变化非常复杂,我自己列了20多个变化.是不是正确,请广大棋友们斧正.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-17 16:12:00

第9回合以后的变化非常多.比如13回合红可以先飞相.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-17 16:16:00

第9回合以后的变化非常多.比如13回合红可以先飞相.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-17 16:45:00

第13回合红先飞相.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-17 17:02:00

多谢崔老师指点，此局的确很精妙，

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这样似乎可和。

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-6-17 17:58:00

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-17 20:44:00

谢谢YJR123棋友，安装虚拟机后可以看到图了。

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-19 07:17:00

我认为红方很难守和：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-19 08:38:00

崔老师说过，红方在动相时要特别谨慎，这样走呢？

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红不变，让黑方先变，黑似难赢。

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yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-19 08:54:00

这样

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-19 16:00:00

第16回合兵六平七才对.

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-19 17:40:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用棋人ctq在2008-6-19 16:00:00的发言：

第16回合兵六平七才对.

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[DhtmlXQ_move_2_32_1]2533876571764847763642413606658706014748014131413341[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_32_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]黑胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_2]5859122279712232173657473644413130404748405032424425658725444241717048474425474825338765707265877202876502016587014131413341[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_39_3]8765446542417570[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_39_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_35_4]658725444847717547487545424144254838253387656587451587651511[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_35_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_7]2507594965872807574748382232072647373848876548586587261437471435475758684131304032423556876571514252567752427765574751713141403042326544[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_5]22322836574736444131304047484050324244256547254447297175290775454241457507297570290744230729230229070214072914332907707207297212290712110729114131413341[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]互走闲着成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_36_6]2645374748386587456647574959876538486587[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_36_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_58]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_58]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_34_8]364447484425223225444131304048494050324244654241654449487170484944234948233548493543[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_34_8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_11]2507280757474838223207264757[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_10]876549596587594987652836574748584737[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_9]22322836574736444131304032424050474844254849[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_12]59498769495969875949876949596987[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_13]876528365747364447484465223265444131304032424050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_14]413130404748405032424425[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_14][DhtmlXQ_comment44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment44]
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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-19 18:01:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用yjr123在2008-6-19 17:40:00的发言：

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]黑胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_4_39_3]8765446542417570[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_39_3]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_5]22322836574736444131304047484050324244256547254447297175290775454241457507297570290744230729230229070214072914332907707207297212290712110729114131413341[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]互走闲着成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_36_6]2645374748386587456647574959876538486587[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_36_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_58]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_58]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_34_8]364447484425223225444131304048494050324244654241654449487170484944234948233548493543[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_34_8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_11]2507280757474838223207264757[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_10]876549596587594987652836574748584737[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_9]22322836574736444131304032424050474844254849[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_27_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_12]59498769495969875949876949596987[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_13]876528365747364447484465223265444131304032424050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_14]413130404748405032424425[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_14][DhtmlXQ_comment44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment44]
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关键是13回合以后红方欠行，动则不利。这种问题一般是加老兵边象可解决。

再研究看看有没有和法？希望能成正和不必改图最好。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-20 09:04:00

对,我在列这路变化时至18回合后便结论为和棋,认为黑不敢升炮(因为红兵七进一绝杀),忽视了黑升炮先杀.看来这路变化可以结论为黑胜.只是看其他变化能不能保持和棋.谢谢大家深入讨论.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-6-22 11:13:00

此局我在象棋大师网上已经有说明。在原局的基础上添一红九路原位兵，好象可以维持和局，对不对尚未定论，请大家讨论。谢谢大家关注。

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