古谱一局,孰和孰胜?红先

语苛经历 · 发表于 2008-8-5 15:08:00

《火烧博望》多加了一路底兵。

语苛经历 · 发表于 2008-8-5 15:13:00

语苛经历 · 发表于 2008-8-5 15:16:00

我认为多加了一路底兵后，红先负。因为红“担子炮”以后被该在一路的炮在二路，会造成高兵被黑车带将吃掉捉双炮而负。

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-8-5 15:59:00

语苛经历 · 发表于 2008-8-5 16:20:00

红炮八进八沉底，黑不是要输了吗？

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-8-6 19:25:00

这个棋形红方应该不错吧

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yjr123 · 发表于 2008-8-6 19:48:00

第2回合黑方有车６进６、第3回合黑有车７进１的变化，都很复杂，一时也看不清楚。

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-9 11:01:44

补充
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chess666 · 发表于 2008-11-9 17:25:54

火烧博望里,第五回合时红"炮八进八", 改"车二进二", 以后如黑"车7平9", 则红"炮五平四", 红方也没有死棋, 之后应该是红胜吧这么看来, 无论红有无低兵, 都应该是红先胜.

语苛经历 · 发表于 2008-11-9 17:52:19

啊。。。。。。。

chess666 · 发表于 2008-11-9 17:52:28

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chess666 · 发表于 2008-11-9 17:54:50

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yjr123 · 发表于 2008-11-9 19:08:32

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yjr123 · 发表于 2008-11-9 19:11:32

黑要求和，试试在第2回合走车７进１变化。 [ 本帖最后由 yjr123 于 2008-11-9 19:19 编辑 ]

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-9 23:31:44

双方最强应对红可略优，并无简明胜法。
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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-11 10:25:25

火烧博望添加底兵是有用意的。没有底兵局，如果我执黑，就这样走。红不但无法占优，还有可能要输棋。大家研究一下：
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667 · 发表于 2008-11-12 01:34:30

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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-12 01:52:28

多谢。原来早有前辈研究过了。我收集的书太不全。

667 · 发表于 2008-11-12 02:59:26

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667 · 发表于 2008-11-12 14:45:12

667 · 发表于 2008-11-12 14:46:15

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古婺 · 发表于 2008-11-15 08:38:07

《火烧博望》出自《蕉竹斋》，原局没一路底兵，第2回合黑有车7平8邀兑结果为黑胜。多加了一路底兵，是为了防止黑兑车的手段。多底兵的出自《象棋排局精选》，周孟芳老师所作，书上着法如下，供大家参考。BR>

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-11-15 10:49:41

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