大九连环真的是黑胜么？

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2011-8-1 08:38:47

21回合红方车四平二的变化，是不是可以推翻长期以来的黑胜结论？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999797877014666418199999999509999995299822838998399[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]江湖排局大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]774782728171525778487242415157517161516147426166795950404847666842324030595030314959686959586949473731415051414032424946515246493732384858574939574739324748404152722838484732024737384837474858475758685747685847570242724241425758[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_28_67_1]47488987575887844484384858488384[/DhtmlXQ_move_28_67_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_28_67_2]57588949474649474434314134368384[/DhtmlXQ_move_28_67_2] 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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_29]77575257785857474959474959493848495948585949584849488242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_29] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_30]7787827278285257[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_30] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_31]38484948515848494240797140306151585171515051[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_31] [DhtmlXQ_move_31_14_32]5040474228384282[/DhtmlXQ_move_31_14_32] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_33]3132503032423040423258574959574759194645[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]【zqhuang加注加变着版本】大九连环原谱着法不完善，结论可能会被推翻（目前我认为和局）||||||【原注】在众多流行的“九连环”江湖排局中，着法最深奥，变化最复杂，影响最广泛，当属本局图势，亦称“大九连环”、俗名“九进中原”。六十年代，瞿问秋、杨明忠、周孟芳、韩文兆等人对其作过深入的研究，演变结果为红先黑胜，并于1976年首次刊于油印本《推陈出新象棋谱》（第２集）中，由此更加广泛流传于民间。现综合整理各谱介绍如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment8]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment8] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]　　平车照将，抢占四路要道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment22]正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22] [DhtmlXQ_comment28_84]！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_84] [DhtmlXQ_comment28_90]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_90] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_74]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_74] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_74]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_74] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_80]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_80] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_84]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_84] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_68] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_70] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_68]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_68] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_88]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_88] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_76]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_76] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_84]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_84] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_75]红车低头，必负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_75] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_98]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_98] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_82]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_82] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_66]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_66] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]亦可。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_22]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_22] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_57] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment26_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment27_29]同主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment41]【zqhuang注】这样黑方怎么胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment41] [DhtmlXQ_comment29_14]妙杀胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_14] [DhtmlXQ_comment6]开局三回合无吃子无照将，即“三闲”，这在江湖排局中极为少见[/DhtmlXQ_comment6] [DhtmlXQ_comment31_20]红优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment32_17]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_17] [DhtmlXQ_comment33_35]红连进中兵即胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment28_41]【zqhuang注】原谱着法，但反正对黑车来说平到1路捉兵和平到2路捉兵是等价的，那么为何要走这步平兵呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment57]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment57] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_34]32377271414042414050413137347141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment34_49]黑无进攻手段，红优[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_49] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_35]323572714140424128384847403047573555574755054757[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment35_49]黑亦无进攻手段[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]黑不敢吃兵（红可以车二进一抽吃回来）[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53] [DhtmlXQ_move_34_46_36]28384858373471513424011124285857384857474858475758685747[/DhtmlXQ_move_34_46_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_59]黑无手段[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_59] [DhtmlXQ_comment42]这样求和大概是黑方最好的走法？[/DhtmlXQ_comment42] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-1 18:46:37

并没有推翻长期以来的黑胜结论。第16回合黑车5进1，楼主所列的变化也是黑胜。

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-1 18:58:03

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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2011-8-1 23:00:53

看来网上流传的东萍棋盘着法都有误（似乎都是参考了《江湖排局集成》的着法），但按白老师提供的3楼着法仍是黑胜。

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2011-8-4 04:52:19

目前来看黑方的取胜方法相当微妙，要依靠两个黑卒左右夹击。那么把黑卒移到1路是否就可以顽强弈成和局？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999797877014666418199999999509999995299022838990399[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]774752577848027281717242415157517161516147426166795950404847666842324030595030314737314149596869595869495051414032424946515246473733404158593848424847485251414051504041333048495958283830404131506038485857497957474838475731415758797160500304011104051121051521201525505525265545413158597179595826274030797858577877575827373040777645353141353776563757565758574140[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]770702420747383949394247[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]！巧妙化解了红方的炮二平四手段[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]也可按常见棋谱中的走法，先走帅五平四。||||||现在这样走不给黑方选择机会，更直接有效。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_2]384837474131323928290111[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_28_3]6867011167471121314150514142213142323141474651524642525342453919281819293242413142323121182829192818192918282919[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_28_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_38_4]32423930[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_38_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_48]双方不变和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_48] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_46_5]182829192818[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_46_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_54_6]32425352424152514142213142322920[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_54_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_54]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_61]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_61] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]双方不变和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]这样红方很容易求和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_39] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_34_7]463637473646525141400111[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_34_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_36] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_8]414251524241324249465857464252424142[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_9]46493732384858574939574739324748404152722838484732124737384837474858475758685747685847571242724241425758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_57]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_57] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_35_10]01113848424847485859484959582838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_35_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_35] [DhtmlXQ_move_10_37_11]585947425251414011214262[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_37_11] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_42]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment90]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment90] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]【zqhuang注】仔细分析诠正后的大九连环的黑胜法，黑方是依靠两枚黑卒左右夹击获胜的。那么是否把黑卒移到同一边就是和棋？这种简单的改法如能成和，则最大限度地保留了大九连环的原貌。此修改方案最早由白宏宽老师提出。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-4 08:06:57

5楼棋图，我曾投稿《百22》，和棋，但可能也是黑胜，所以，百22未用。

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2011-8-4 10:08:28

原来白老师早有此一改，已经修正5楼棋盘注释以免误传。

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-4 12:27:43

5楼变化很多，曾于动态棋盘不能加变招时用了许多帖子分别贴出。有位高手（网名现在想不起来了）指出了一步关键招，我当时用软件协助检测，是黑胜，帖子找不到了，黑胜的那个变招也忘了（好像当时也在广东象棋网贴出了各种变化的着法，但没有提出异议的，实际上华工提出的黑胜意见正确）。

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-4 13:02:46

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dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-4 19:55:08

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999958999999504099019999999999999999319999994999993899990499[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5060384858574979574748384757797757587771[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]回想一下，大概提出的是黑车退至8.2位！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment2]现在看，车5退8应与后面的车8退6变化相同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]4941585731304050415157475153[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1][DhtmlXQ_comment10]当时提出的可能是黑车退至8.2位！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2011-8-4 20:37:24

5楼着法主变正是走这步退车，好像后面黑也难胜？

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-4 20:55:08

5楼是退车了，但将在中路，没有将4退1的棋，所以难胜。

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-4 21:17:51

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凌云子 · 发表于 2011-8-5 11:14:01

回复 9# dave7788 33回合有问题？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999797877014666418199999999509999995299022838990499[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]774752577848027281717242415157517161516179595040474261664847666842324030595030314737314137474131495938483239686701116747112131415051414251524241525547463919281819391828391928181939484959584939555141422131423231213242213146485857423231211828515248425250424957580405500032422131423231413242415142320030324230204232202232312228313228223231222531322535324235054232053532423530498930104232101232311242898142413132584881824143[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_121]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_121] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1]68695958694947373141505141403242494651524647373340415859384842484748525141405150404133304849595828383040413150603848585749795747483847573141575879756050040501110515112115162120161750531727534341314353757858572737535131325153787053333242335370775758777858573848534342324333324240487848333748465758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_99]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_99] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]找到了底稿，黑边卒的位置与5楼稍不同。简介如下（有高手指出一步关键着可以黑胜，现在实在是想不起来了，先将原着法贴出）：[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_2]4241505441495452494252504241505241425254424957582838543432423438494438374454375754575857[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_67_3]5404324257584948585728380407484621314656[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_67_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_66_4]283850303242303849453837454858574845575804053727051521314232314115252707324241514555075755575857[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_66_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_75_5]00023231020531325141324241314232312132422131423231413242415142320535324235254948585742322523283823034846031339491303467603137677575877471318474858574878181232311242787142413132411171761113[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_75_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_79_6]05353242352542322522323122283132283832423830497930104232101232311242797142413132584871724144[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_79_6] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D27172%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-8-5 12:01:24

嗯，33回合黑卒1进1不好，凌云子14楼改走卒3平4简和。
另外，13楼黑胜如果成立，大九连环原局是否也有这种胜法。

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-4-16 10:08:18

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dave7788 发表于 2011-8-4 13:02

如果这样会怎么样？
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_99]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]找到了底稿，黑边卒的位置与5楼稍不同。简介如下（有高手指出一步关键着可以黑胜，现在实在是想不起来了，先将原着法贴出）：[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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