冷着宽紧棋局检验（一）

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-5 01:43:33

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-6-6 21:58 编辑

zhaodi 发表于 2013-6-4 23:31
建议1楼改成这样，还增加了变化。

我也曾尝试过添加红相，并且加了两个红相，红方还是没办法取胜。

走成下面形式，红方无法把黑将逼到中路。
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即使走成下面形式，红方也无法吃到黑象。
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即使走成下面形式，红炮五进七打黑象，黑卒3平4，再将5平4，立即成和。
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如果能走成下面形式，红方可胜。
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-5 10:18:52

“添象炼丹”不成功，“添士炼丹”还是可行的。

下面是“添士炼丹”：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment22]|| 如果改走士5进4，则炮六平二卒1平2，炮二退七（退八也可以）将4平5，兵七平六士4退5，帅六平五，兵吃死士，【红胜定】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63]|| 【红胜】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]|| 【红胜】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]|| 黑欠行，必定失士或失卒，【红胜定】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]
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高原红 · 发表于 2013-6-5 11:16:35

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[DhtmlXQ_comment22]||   如果改走士5进4，则炮六平二卒1平2，炮二退七（退八也可以）将4平5，兵七平六士4退5，帅六平五，兵吃死士，【红胜定】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_63]||   【红胜】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]||  【红胜】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]||  黑欠行，必定失士或失卒，【红胜定】。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]
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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-5 21:54:37

这样修改可基本按原着法取胜
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-6 13:53:31

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[DhtmlXQ_red]象棋巫师测试团队[/DhtmlXQ_red]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]黑方倖和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_59]红取胜诀着！冷着！此着红如果改走兵六平五或兵四平五，双兵仅在宫中徘徊，就难取胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_59]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_71]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_71]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-6 17:13:06

這樣?
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[DhtmlXQ_black]象棋巫师测试团队[/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]黑方倖和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_71]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_71]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-6 17:19:13

這樣也可和
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-6 17:58:45

樓上黑方某些變著應能和誤作紅勝,有時間再修正

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-6 18:25:54

邢春波发表于 2013-6-5 21:54
这样修改可基本按原着法取胜

这样修改，仍未找到取胜着法。
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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-6 18:49:39

迟暮寒士发表于 2013-6-6 18:25
这样修改，仍未找到取胜着法。
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-6 21:36:52

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-6-6 22:16 编辑

邢春波发表于 2013-6-6 18:49

炮兵在黑方第三线禁象，黑方只能走卒，红帅趁机平六禁卒，着法确实精彩细腻。只是在第3步时，黑若不走将4退1，改走将4平5，不知结果会怎样，我还没想好。
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若果上述办法黑方可以和棋，把帅摆在四路，能否解决问题？
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如果本局至此不再有所疑议，可称是一则佳作。

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-6 22:06:39

本帖最后由邢春波于 2013-6-6 22:22 编辑

迟暮寒士发表于 2013-6-6 21:36
炮兵在黑方第三线禁象，黑方只能走卒，红帅趁机平六禁卒，着法确实精彩细腻。只是在第3步时，黑若不 ...

修改着法
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-6 22:20:53

邢春波发表于 2013-6-6 22:06
修改着法

如果本局至此不再有所疑议，可称是一则佳作。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-7 01:49:04

修正變著,此局應是和局?

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-7 12:49:50

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-6-7 13:08 编辑

邢春波发表于 2013-6-6 22:06
修改着法

红先走帅五平四，暂停八路兵防止黑象飞边，待炮升到黑方第3线时，再兵八平七，问题解决了。可是黑方好像还有对策：红首着兵九平八，黑首着走将5平4，迫使红方先走兵八平七，红方有无应对办法？
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如果在着法上无法解决，修改开始局面如下，红首着走帅五平四，如何？
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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-7 19:12:55

迟暮寒士发表于 2013-6-7 12:49
红先走帅五平四，暂停八路兵防止黑象飞边，待炮升到黑方第3线时，再兵八平七，问题解决了。可是黑方 ...

这局棋越研究越精彩了
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zhaodi · 发表于 2013-6-7 23:43:13

楼上支变中的疑问
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另原发帖添相局不成立，已删除。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-8 02:13:46

zhaodi 发表于 2013-6-7 23:43
楼上支变中的疑问

另原发帖添相局不成立，已删除。

黑象5进7，红兵七平六，红兵占据六路后，胜定。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-8 02:29:58

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-6-8 02:31 编辑

邢春波发表于 2013-6-7 19:12
这局棋越研究越精彩了

这局棋越研究越复杂了，变着越来越多，有待好好消化一下，从头梳理一遍。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-8 09:58:49

感覺紅難勝?

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-8 12:09:38

聨吟客发表于 2013-6-8 09:58
感覺紅難勝?

很好，又来了一个搅局的。

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-8 12:45:06

聨吟客发表于 2013-6-8 09:58
感覺紅難勝?
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-8 13:33:22

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-6-9 01:02 编辑

邢春波发表于 2013-6-8 12:45
修改着法

有关黑方首着将5平4之后的变着补充：

（一）黑第二步走将4退1变着，红有帅五平四、炮九平五、炮五平一。三种应法：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5]帅五平四是错着吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]红棋走错，和了吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]炮九平五是错着吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]红棋走错，和了吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]炮九平一应该是正着吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]
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（二）走到第13回合后，形成如下形式，原拟着法是炮四平一，第18步才走前士退五。是否可以直接走前士退五？
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]是否可以直接走前士退五？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]
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后编辑补充，自答：不可以直接走前士退五，因黑有象3进5。红炮六平一，可防止黑象3进5.

（三）第8步红走炮九平七，形成如下形式，黑先。我没理解炮九平七的用意。如果黑方接走将4进1红怎么办？
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（四）如聨吟客所拟着法，黑方似乎有很多机会以卒换士，之后红方炮兵对黑方单象，不知能胜否。
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此局越想越复杂，说不定还有很多麻烦的着法尚未发掘，难煞人了。

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-6-8 13:34:09

回47楼研究结果
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2013-6-8 17:56:20

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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-8 21:32:58

迟暮寒士发表于 2013-6-8 13:33
有关黑方首着将5平4之后的变着补充：

（一）黑第二步走将4退1变着，红有帅五平四、炮九平五、炮五平一 ...

您列出四图其实只有两个疑问
（一）
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]红得象胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-8 22:21:18

迟暮寒士发表于 2013-6-8 13:33
有关黑方首着将5平4之后的变着补充：

（一）黑第二步走将4退1变着，红有帅五平四、炮九平五、炮五平一 ...

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]中午看到联吟客的着法就以想到此变。以下黑方还有机会能走出此变，红皆能用此种方法取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-9 01:38:55

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邢春波发表于 2013-6-8 22:21

心存疑惑基本解决：
红炮九平七，乃是为了防止“黑将4进1或退1，然后再企图象3进5”之措施。（改走炮九平一也可以吧，与之前40楼着法相同。与炮平九相比，炮平七另有一番趣味）
黑用双卒换红双士之后，黑象与红兵在同侧，帅在另侧，黑将被约束在中路，红巧胜。（怪不得聨吟客、zhaodi、桑莫喜棋友们，都不顾红兵七平六，执着地走象5进7。）

还有一点疑问，我先自己想一想。

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-12 21:38:50

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重新修订整理，请高老师和大家看看是否还有问题。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_13]得卒红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_4]以下黑方还有机会能走出此变，红皆能用此种方法取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_27]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_37]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_37]
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-13 03:01:02

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邢春波发表于 2013-6-12 21:38
重新修订整理，请高老师和大家看看是否还有问题。

第15步黑有象3退5变着。

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解决着法：第14步不急于士五退六吃卒，走炮二平一，等一步。

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