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[排局杂谈] 就排局的一个幻想,求教各位朋友,谢谢!

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31#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-3 09:27:32 | 只看该作者
这种类型(1——4将齐全)的排局,虽然只有短短的四个回合,但是,控制住多将局面,确保主变唯一。我的感觉是:太费劲了,不亚于普通连照胜排局的难度。我多么渴盼大家的大作啊!谢谢大家!
32#
发表于 2014-12-3 10:29:45 | 只看该作者
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33#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-3 10:56:19 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-3 10:58 编辑

谢谢先生!30#不能成立。改成如下局面再试试。请先生把28#、33#一块斧正。谢谢!

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34#
发表于 2014-12-3 11:16:08 | 只看该作者

楼上第2回黑方走将4进1红不胜。

本帖最后由 高原红 于 2014-12-3 11:19 编辑

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35#
发表于 2014-12-3 11:25:00 | 只看该作者
4回合包含1、2、3、4将不难,要维持胜法唯一就难如登天。
36#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-4 10:23:01 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-4 10:31 编辑

感谢 高老师、法官老师和大家的指教!多将排局要想控制住局面,其难度我深有体会(经常是堵住这个漏洞,又出了另外的漏洞)。为此我没少耗费精力(也可能是徒劳无益)。幻想究竟能不能变成现实,敬请大家多多帮扶。
37#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-4 10:24:53 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-4 10:28 编辑

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这局也可能有纰漏。28#也请大家给予评点。大家可以把我不成立的局面作为素材,进行创作。谢谢大家!
38#
发表于 2014-12-4 10:30:11 | 只看该作者
这样多一回合,5回合胜,但是兵五平六的三将变还存在。
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39#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-4 10:46:33 | 只看该作者
谢谢zhaodi 先生!您的排局,早就实现了1——4将四回合啦!佩服!您是第一人,我只是幻想把主变着法变成唯一。不管大家的排局是几个回合,只要含有多将(最好有4将),都是创新之作,强烈欢迎贴出来,这是我渴盼的,也是我最喜欢的!谢谢大家!
40#
发表于 2014-12-4 12:45:56 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ZhangFeng 于 2014-12-4 17:59 编辑

37楼一步可胜:
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把象移到1路,黑炮移到2路后另两路走法也是4回合胜,但却不符合要求了:
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41#
发表于 2014-12-4 18:52:28 | 只看该作者
667 发表于 2014-12-2 16:19
还是没有解决后兵平六的问题。

25楼的第2步黑方炮反将了,原着法似乎不成立!
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42#
发表于 2014-12-4 19:11:07 | 只看该作者
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下面这局四将的着法唯一,红方改走它着均难免一败!
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43#
发表于 2014-12-4 20:28:00 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ZhangFeng 于 2014-12-4 20:32 编辑

28#第一步黑方改走士4退5后,红无杀,黑胜:
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44#
发表于 2014-12-4 23:47:25 | 只看该作者
ZhangFeng 发表于 2014-12-4 19:11
经过整整一个下午的努力,借用了解将还将的技巧,终于成功拟好了一则4回合胜的四将(包含有1、2、3、4将)局 ...


回复42楼,这个局面的思路很好!但第3回合,黑改走将5平6,红失去3将的机会。  

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45#
发表于 2014-12-5 01:22:03 | 只看该作者
应该说,1、2、3、4成立,不是很严谨。
某些连照一子杀也是如此,如果红方有相同回合数的多子成杀,那就不成立。
如果黑方有相同步数的变化,应以吃子为正,连照一子杀成立,吹毛求疵的说,不是很严谨。
46#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-5 09:17:20 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-5 09:32 编辑

非常感谢ZhangFeng 、象棋法官 、zhaodi 、高原红 等各位朋友的指正!

该贴有您才精彩!排局创作需要有一些新的兴奋点,敬请大家互相启迪!谢谢大家!
47#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-5 09:30:12 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-5 10:44 编辑

各位朋友,我又换了一下思路,敬请再批改一下。

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第三回合,我最希望黑走将4退1,接下来红方兵五平六双将杀。可以实现1——4将四回合,而且,红方四回合只动兵。我没办法控制住,只好放弃。所以改成此图。
48#
发表于 2014-12-5 12:44:46 | 只看该作者
sdndsx 发表于 2014-12-5 09:30
各位朋友,我又换了一下思路,敬请再批改一下。

去掉黑马就成功了(4132将),而且着法唯一!恭喜楼主,谢谢分享!
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49#
发表于 2014-12-5 14:26:19 | 只看该作者
唯一性的4321,或1234,按顺序,存不存在?
50#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-5 15:55:56 | 只看该作者



51#
发表于 2014-12-5 22:03:49 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ZhangFeng 于 2014-12-6 17:26 编辑
667 发表于 2014-12-5 14:26
唯一性的4321,或1234,按顺序,存不存在?


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52#
发表于 2014-12-5 22:10:27 | 只看该作者

楼上强!高棋!再接再励!
53#
发表于 2014-12-6 07:02:06 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ZhangFeng 于 2014-12-6 07:06 编辑
sdndsx 发表于 2014-12-5 09:30
各位朋友,我又换了一下思路,敬请再批改一下。


这样精简子力后图式更简洁,虽然另一变化仍有动马,但是可以确保有一变全部动兵:
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54#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-6 09:13:58 | 只看该作者
28楼再改改试试,敬请老师们评点。谢谢!

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55#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-6 09:16:36 | 只看该作者
56#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-6 09:18:18 | 只看该作者
ZhangFeng 发表于 2014-12-6 07:02
这样精简子力后图式更简洁,虽然另一变化仍有动马,但是可以确保有一变全部动兵:

先生的功底厚啊!前途无量。佩服。继续加油!
57#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-6 09:19:30 | 只看该作者
ZhangFeng 发表于 2014-12-5 22:03
4321(从大到小),着法唯一:

敬佩!继续加油!
58#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-6 09:21:17 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-6 09:24 编辑
667 发表于 2014-12-5 14:26
唯一性的4321,或1234,按顺序,存不存在?


先生的新启迪,好!期盼佳作频出!

相互就棋论棋,相互启迪智慧,这种氛围应该欢迎和鼓励!
59#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-6 09:40:04 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-6 09:45 编辑

这种排局只有四个回合,表面上看算不上排局,实际上,要求之严,难度之大,所耗精力不亚于普通连照排局创作。我期望大家多提供兴奋点,多启迪智慧,我相信,这种氛围下,多将排局(不一定非要1——4将,只要有多将就行,几个回合都可以)一定会频破记录。谢谢大家!

我本来不想多增加楼层,56、57、58三层,可以用点评的方式,可能是我笨,找不到点评按钮。
60#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-6 10:30:46 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-12-6 10:46 编辑

53#如果成功的话,同时满足了三个条件:

1 首着不吃子
2 1——4将四回合,主变唯一
3 只动一兵

好像第2个条件,主变不是唯一(原局的着法仍然存在)。还可继续加工。谢谢!

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