野馬操田改局

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yjr123 发表于 2015-3-27 08:56
改局1就不是黑胜局吗？

      红酒的野马操田改局1，我拆的是正和，上面列出了3个和谱，请先生指正，局面黑优红守，黑如果有必胜招法，请先生指出，谢谢！

yjr123

一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-27 12:15
红酒的野马操田改局1，我拆的是正和，上面列出了3个和谱，请先生指正，局面黑优红守，黑如果有必胜 ...

关键是23楼局面红方是否能够守和，能够守和则1、2都成立，不能则都不成立。

一杯红酒

yjr123 发表于 2015-3-27 12:27
关键是23楼局面红方是否能够守和，能够守和则1、2都成立，不能则都不成立。

      2局已经修改，1、2局不一样哦！有中象，没有中象，脱帽后红车位不一样，差别很大的，1局我列出了具体走法，你给看看！

yjr123

一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-27 13:28
2局已经修改，1、2局不一样哦！有中象，没有中象，脱帽后红车位不一样，差别很大的，1局我列出了具 ...

本质一样

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聨吟客 发表于 2015-3-27 14:07
重貼我的第三種變化研究最後這局面能不能和?

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yjr123 发表于 2015-3-27 16:23

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sdndsx

谢谢分享！学习了！

由于主观上水平所限，客观上还有本职工作，我都不能参与棋图和棋步的探讨。

为什么还要发帖？

因为我在学习过程中惊奇地发现：6楼联吟客和44楼yjr老师解拆一杯红酒改局的帖子中的野马操田，竟然还含有类似蚯蚓降龙的局面。

盼望经过各位朋友的探讨，反复修改，使这个局面最终能够成立（经典的江湖四大名局，经过改拟，出现了一则局中局，应该算是新的突破吧）。

一杯红酒

      红酒的改局也是受了楼主（陳明仁先生）改局的启发，改局3是不成立的，目前改局1、2我自己拆解都可以正和，变化很多，一时间没法发全！

sdndsx

聨吟客 发表于 2015-3-27 19:43
含有類似蚯蚓降龍局面應該是我所率先開創

对不起！我马上改过来。

sdndsx

聨吟客 发表于 2015-3-27 20:31
言重了,紅酒的改局圖較簡潔且有中象,有勝過我之處,不過我的局保留了第一種變化,這變化其實也很不錯,他的局 ...

确实是先生在6楼最先提出的。我已经重新编辑啦。

杨启忠

yjr123 发表于 2015-3-27 13:44
本质一样

15回合，卒4进1之变至18回合黑车7平6呢

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杨启忠 发表于 2015-3-28 09:37
15回合，卒4进1之变至18回合黑车7平6呢

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