“华光辉映夺天工”棋局有奖征答之“华光辉映”

语苛经历 · 发表于 2005-12-22 21:14:00

以下是引用语苛经历在2005-11-19 0:25:00的发言：
有时间限制的，就是自题目发出之日起，一个月为限。

规则更新：为使更多棋友能参与进来，答题改为无时间限制，已答出的题在题目旁注明某某已答出字样，未被答出的欢迎大家继续研究。

梅桔 · 发表于 2006-1-13 12:51:00

出的题目尤其是布局类，最好是有定论的。

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-14 12:43:00

“鸿雁车兵铁血盟”

解答：

兵七平六车4平6
车一退一象5进3
车一平七象3进1
车七平八象1退3
车八进二象3退1
车八退三车6平5
车八平一车5退4
车一退一士6进5
相三进一车5平4
帅五平四车4平6
帅四平五车6平4
帅五平四车4平6
（黑方一将一捉）
帅四平五车6平5
相一进三车5进1
相三退五车5退1
帅五平四车5平6
帅四平五车6平5
（黑方一将一捉）
帅五平四士5退6
帅四进一车5平6
士五进四车6平5
士四退五车5平6
士五进四车6平5
（黑方一将一捉）
士四退五车5进1
车一平四士6进5
车四进三（红胜）

另变：

兵七平六车4平6
车一退一象5进3
车一平七象3进1
车七平八象1退3
车八进二象3退1
车八退三车6平5
车八平一车5退4
车一退一士6进5
相三进一车5平4
帅五平四车4平6
帅四平五车6平4
帅五平四车4平6
（黑方一将一捉）
帅四平五车6平5
相一进三士5退6
车一平二车5进1
车二平四车5退1
相三退五士6进5
车四平一士5退6
帅五平四车5平6
帅四平五车6平5
（黑方一将一捉）
帅五平四车5进1
车一平四士6进5
车四进三（红胜）

注：由于我现在在网吧，下载不了象棋演播室等打谱工具，所以很多变化不便
一一写出来，也不能发动态棋谱了。这个残局红方取胜的关键就是利用车禁双象，然后回中相，照成黑车一将一捉的局面，使黑车不安于有利的防守位置，从而取胜。

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不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-16 07:46:00

鸿雁车兵铁血盟是一局较难较深的残局,很有实践意义,我解了很久以为是和局,了然的解答,我认为正确.现用棋图贴出,供大家参考. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]520,450[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_movelist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htmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_binit]81nn69484939nnnnnnnnnn21nnnnnnnn36nn20nn405042nnnnnnnnnn83nnnnnn[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]鸿雁车兵铁血盟1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]华工象棋[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_refer]www.lshh.net[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [/DhtmlXQ]

企望了然高手将"望月亭上看荷花"解解.

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语苛经历 · 发表于 2006-1-17 01:59:00

我准备一周后贴出第二期的题目，这回将是非常简单易答的。

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-17 09:51:00

谢谢不老松~

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-17 10:11:00

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[DhtmlXQ_title]望月亭上看荷花[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]了然[DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]了然[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment107]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment107]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]www.lshh.net[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[/DhtmlXQ]

注:主变中红方第一和第二步意味深长,车八退二是某种意义上的停着,若直接车八退一

牵士,黑则卒7平6后红不好走.先车八退二待黑卒7平6后再车八进一逼黑卒6平7,从而

顺利地上帅到3层,再消灭黑卒.

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了然 · 发表于 2006-1-17 10:35:00

"望月亭上看荷花"此局我拆了几天都毫无进展,昨天晚上到今天早上一个通宵我都没有睡觉,躺在床上拆解此局.一直到半夜2点多钟的时候还是没什么办法,后来差不多3点钟的时候脑子里闪过一开始红方可以车八退一控制黑方将双士车四子的棋,但是黑方卒7平6后红方怎么下呢?不久之后就想到可以先车八退二再车八进一的棋.于是兴奋起来,连夜把后面的着法拆解完全.

这个棋红方升帅以后,黑卒在什么位置上才用红车去捉上也是有讲究的.

在红方第一步棋车八退二后黑若不走卒7平6,改走卒7平8,或卒7进1,红方还是要走车八进一牵士,然后把帅上到3层之后,再去捉黑卒,这时候取胜的招法和主变就差不多了.

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-17 10:42:00

今天我到了一家比较好的网吧,可以下载东西的.所以有象棋演播室和UBB棋盘工具来发动态棋谱,不过上网费用比较贵,我一般是下彩棋赢钱才来这家网吧的.呵呵~~~

不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-17 17:02:00

第2着黑卒不平7而走将平5,红车吃士,黑车升到河口,即可化解.

如兵七平六则将5平6,也可化解.

这局棋我解了无数次,认为是和局.请高见.

不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-18 07:48:00

经过无数次解析,自认为下面是较好的和局解答:

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望棋友见教

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hzsjy · 发表于 2006-1-18 07:58:00

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了然 · 发表于 2006-1-18 20:33:00

我回去再拆拆，看来有些棋还是没算到，呵呵~~

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-19 10:56:00

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了然 · 发表于 2006-1-19 10:59:00

其中这一路变化也很耐人寻味.

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了然 · 发表于 2006-1-19 11:06:00

修订版增加了车八退二,卒7平6,车八进一,将4平5,车八平六,车1进3,之后的变化.这一路的变化很精彩,之前我确实没有算到这一路的变化.

残局精深,说不定还有其他的变化.希望不老松帮忙研究一下.

感谢不老松在拆解过程中提出的宝贵意见.

如果此局的这个解答能够获得华工的奖励,我希望和不老松一起平分这份奖励.

不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-20 08:45:00

第9着黑车不平4而是将5平6,则红车必须退守底线,红方再无所作为了.

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了然 · 发表于 2006-1-20 11:10:00

44楼和45楼出现了低级的失误~

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-20 11:13:00

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不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-20 11:41:00

可能了然输错了!

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了然 · 发表于 2006-1-21 21:33:00

以下是引用不老松在2006-1-20 11:41:00的发言：
可能了然输错了!

主变一样，但是车八退二，卒7平6，车八进一，将4平5，之后这一路变化和44楼是不一样的。

你再看看。

不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-22 09:23:00

按正常着法,不会这样着法.

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-22 14:59:00

你看看这两个变化：

1.车八退二卒７平６
2.车八进一将４平５
3.车八平六车１进３
4.车六平一车１平５
5.仕六进五将５平６
6.车一退六将６平５
7.车一平四车５平４
8.车四进七车４退１
9.仕五退六车４平５
10.帅五平四车５平４
11.帅四平五车４平５
12.帅五平四车５平４
13.帅四平五车４平５
14.帅五平四车５进１
15.兵七平六

1.车八退二卒７平６
2.车八进一将４平５
3.车八平六车１进３
4.车六平一车１平５
5.仕六进五将５平６
6.车一退六车５平６
7.兵七平六士５进４
8.车一进六车６平８
9.车一平四将６平５
10.车四平五将５平６
11.仕五退四士４退５
12.兵六平五车８平６
13.车五平二

不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-23 09:45:00

第6回合黑走卒6进1,帅五平六,车5平3,红方只能退仕吃卒,不能保兵.

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-23 16:45:00

如果第六回合红方不走退车捉卒,改为平兵怎么样?

1.车八退二卒７平６
2.车八进一将４平５
3.车八平六车１进３
4.车六平一车１平５
5.仕六进五将５平６
6.兵七平六

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-23 17:10:00

1.车八退二卒７平６
2.车八进一将４平５
3.车八平六车１进３
4.车六平一车１平５
5.仕六进五将５平６
6.兵七平六将６平５
7.车一退六车５平４
8.仕五退六车４平５
9.仕六进五车５平４
10.仕五退六车４平５
11.仕六进五车５平６
12.车一进七士５退６
13.车一退一士６进５
14.车一平五车６退２
15.仕五退四将５平６
16.兵六平五车６进２
17.车五平一

不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-24 08:49:00

不老松 · 发表于 2006-1-24 14:12:00

根据56楼棋势,第6回合兵七平六后,黑将不平5,而是车平7,红方不能得势.试演如下:

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-24 16:22:00

上楼变化中第六回合后黑方车平7是杀，红方落士，黑车再平5是将。如此循环，黑方一将一杀，属“两打”，而红方是允许着法，理应黑方变着？

了然 · 发表于 2006-1-24 16:55:00

1.车八退二卒７平６
2.车八进一将４平５
3.车八平六车１进３
4.车六平一车１平５
5.仕六进五将５平６
6.兵七平六将６进１
7.车一进一将６进１
8.兵六平五将６平５
9.兵五平六将５平４
10.兵六平七将４平５
11.车一退一将５退１
12.车一平六将５平６
13.兵七平六卒６平７
14.车六平三卒７平８
15.车三退二将６进１
16.车三平四将６平５
17.车四退四车５平８
18.帅五平六车８进１
19.士五进四将５平４
20.兵六平七车８退１
21.车四平五车８平３
22.车五进二车３平４
23.帅六平五（红胜）

注：车低兵双仕例胜单车

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这一解答不是和44楼一样吗?

[讨论]第二回合黑方卒6平7是败着

此两局红方也不能胜

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仍是和棋

这路变化很可能是主变？