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聨吟客

嗯,寒士解得比我還細膩,邊路車黑勝走法如下:
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13]此局面有單雙步關係,黑先可勝 ,紅先可和o[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]||打死相黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]邊路車黑可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
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聨吟客

再一圖, 呵呵呵,最後形成不同的實用殘局
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聨吟客

看是否正確
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迟暮寒士

聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-5 12:31
嗯,寒士解得比我還細膩,邊路車黑勝走法如下:

      我在第60楼所列的着法还不够完整，黑方尚有其他手段。现重新编拟着法如下：
     （把开始局面改成下图形式，增加第一步炮三平五，打黑卒，弃红马的着法，使红方抽杀黑车的假象显得“隐蔽”一些）
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]给黑炮让路，让它进2打相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]不让红炮进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]给黑炮让路 ，让它进2打相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]不让红炮进一[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]第三线是红方重要防线，[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32]闲棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]    红炮平七也可，平八也可。但千万不能平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]    红炮平八是正着。||    如果平五，和上一步变着相同，红输棋。||    又如果平九，黑炮进9，炮九退二，黑炮平2，红欠行黑胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]闲棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]    红方趁黑炮不在底线之际，把底相转移到河口，之后就安全多了。||    注意，黑炮不在底线的时候，红炮也不能平到中路，如果走炮八平五，与第17步变着基本相同，红输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]    红相飞到了河口，红炮在第三线可以任意走动（中路除外）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48]    黑方把中炮走离中线，下一步准备走将6平5拴住红炮。||    如果直接走将6平5拴红炮，红帅五平四，下一步黑方炮和士必被红炮打掉一个，速和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]    马上离开中路，不然的话，黑将拴住，输棋，（参见第17步和第19步红炮平五的变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]    把帅平到四路，下一步就可以打掉黑士或黑炮，达到和棋的目的。||    如果改走炮五进二或相三退一，黑士进6，红方输棋，（参见第18步和第19步红方变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57]    至此，形成底帅单相正和炮低卒的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]劣着输棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]拴住红炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]    帅平四，解除黑将对红炮的拴链，下一步就可以弃炮打黑士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]士5进6，避免红炮换士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]帅四平五，不让黑卒坐中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]拦黑炮，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_17]劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_22]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]与主着同，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]   黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]
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一杯红酒

这种改局及原局，只能停留在古局的水平上，即脱帽后，红无胜机，苦守可和的阶段，不能达到红黑任选，和棋算客户胜的水平，对江湖局的发展是不利的，容易给世人形成，江湖骗局的印象，显然不如红黑任选，和棋算客户胜给世人的影响好，作为我们搞排局的人来说，就必须提高我们自己的标准！

桑莫喜

迟暮寒士 发表于 2015-1-6 01:53
我在第60楼所列的着法还不够完整，黑方尚有其他手段。现重新编拟着法如下：
     （把开始局面改成 ...

黑这样走呢.                                                           [DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]给黑炮让路，让它进2打相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]不让红炮进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]给黑炮让路 ，让它进2打相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]不让红炮进一[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]第三线是红方重要防线，[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]闲棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_33]    红炮平七也可，平八也可。但千万不能平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_35]    红炮平八是正着。||    如果平五，和上一步变着相同，红输棋。||    又如果平九，黑炮进9，炮九退二，黑炮平2，红欠行黑胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]闲棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]    红方趁黑炮不在底线之际，把底相转移到河口，之后就安全多了。||    注意，黑炮不在底线的时候，红炮也不能平到中路，如果走炮八平五，与第17步变着基本相同，红输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_41]    红相飞到了河口，红炮在第三线可以任意走动（中路除外）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_48]    黑方把中炮走离中线，下一步准备走将6平5拴住红炮。||    如果直接走将6平5拴红炮，红帅五平四，下一步黑方炮和士必被红炮打掉一个，速和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]    马上离开中路，不然的话，黑将拴住，输棋，（参见第17步和第19步红炮平五的变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_53]    把帅平到四路，下一步就可以打掉黑士或黑炮，达到和棋的目的。||    如果改走炮五进二或相三退一，黑士进6，红方输棋，（参见第18步和第19步红方变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]    至此，形成底帅单相正和炮低卒的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]劣着输棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]拴住红炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]    帅平四，解除黑将对红炮的拴链，下一步就可以弃炮打黑士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]士5进6，避免红炮换士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]帅四平五，不让黑卒坐中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]拦黑炮，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_17]劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_22]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]与主着同，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]   黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]
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聨吟客

桑兄走法沒什麼新變吧,帥平四再炮換士和局

聨吟客

桑兄走法沒什麼新變吧,帥平四再炮換士和局

桑莫喜

聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-6 18:43
桑兄走法沒什麼新變吧,帥平四再炮換士和局

陈兄,见笑了.

聨吟客

一杯红酒 发表于 2015-1-6 15:34
这种改局及原局，只能停留在古局的水平上，即脱帽后，红无胜机，苦守可和的阶段，不能达到红黑任选，和棋算 ...

通常是和局算紅方勝,當然攤主也可指定某局和局算黑方勝, 或算客戶勝,和局一律算客戶勝的棋攤好像沒有出現過吧,那被破局的機率豈不提高了?

迟暮寒士

一杯红酒 发表于 2015-1-6 15:34
这种改局及原局，只能停留在古局的水平上，即脱帽后，红无胜机，苦守可和的阶段，不能达到红黑任选，和棋算 ...

       原局及改局，只是一个供一般水平棋迷玩味的小局，因含有一点江湖棋局的特点，所以也可以看成是微型江湖残局。红酒老弟喜欢研讨创作大型复杂的江湖残局，其他人精力和水平有限，不能一味的要求其他人和你一样，创作大型复杂的江湖残局。

聨吟客

42或64樓的改局已經相當好了,這樣的中小型江湖局也 很有魅力的

改成大型複雜局要多費時日檢驗走法,並非大家都像紅酒兄那麼快就能得出走法的

迟暮寒士

一杯红酒 发表于 2015-1-6 15:34
这种改局及原局，只能停留在古局的水平上，即脱帽后，红无胜机，苦守可和的阶段，不能达到红黑任选，和棋算 ...

       在古今棋谱中，一直停留在古局水平上的、某一方根本无胜机的、着法很简单的排局，好像有那么几局。这几局棋局、没有什么大的变着、红黑不能由人任选，只能和人玩一两次。这几局棋局的存在，严重影响江湖棋局的声誉，给世人的影响很坏，对江湖局的发展极为不利。红酒老弟抽点时间把它们全部搜寻出来，改进一下，使之达到现代的江湖排局的标准。

一杯红酒

举几个典型的例子：
1，江湖七星，黑有速和变例，尾盘黑单方有胜机，红苦守，不能达到红黑任选，和棋算客户胜；
2，征东、征西，尾盘黑单方有胜机，红苦守，不能达到红黑任选，和棋算客户胜；
3，千里独行，蚯蚓降龙，按现行棋规黑必胜局，江湖世人视为骗局；
4，野马操田相对来说，双方机会要均等一些，但难度不够红黑任选；
以上红酒均有相应改局，千里独行，蚯蚓降龙去掉纠纷，适合现行棋规，江湖七星去掉黑速和变例，平衡双方机会，征东、征西局平衡双方机会，增加双方攻击激烈程度，野马操田局也有相应原创局，复杂精彩程度远远超过原局！但凡有问题的局，自己觉得有价值的都有改局，改局的目的，去掉问题，平衡双方机会，以红黑任选，和棋算客户胜为标准来努力！

聨吟客

想做一局升帥單兵相的,可惜此種局面黑勝
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桑莫喜

聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-8 18:06
想做一局升帥單兵相的,可惜此種局面黑勝

陈先生,此局构思好,但是个黑胜局,加上二个底兵试试.                         [DhtmlXQ]
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魔帝大人

越改越差，到了最后，黑车有根，没了抽车的假象，没有了原本来的江湖味，满盘皆子，脱帽后的着法也不精彩紧凑。 改局前应该考虑一下改的目的。    纯属个人看法。

聨吟客

75樓只是過渡局,雖黑勝,不過黑不得要領也難以取勝,桑兄的改法值得參考,我正在琢磨再修飾的可能性
如果75樓黑方有更快取勝走法也歡迎大家提出來

每一局各有特點,最後形成不同 的實用殘局, 這是我對此改局系列的努力方向,至於誰喜歡或不喜歡,大家都可有自己看法

感謝桑兄與魔帝兄

聨吟客

76樓和局沒問題,只是8回合紅兵一平二 變化不知道是否也能和否?
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yjr123

楼上第2回合为什么不走士6进5？

现在确实有一种改局的趋势，而且很容易，给脱帽后弱势方增加子力，形成均势，如果增加的子力没有影响前面的变化则改局成功，如果产生新的变化，就凭运气看能否达成原定的结果。

我的观点是：排局的灵魂是着法
佳局的标准是：败中求和、和中取胜
均势平淡之局，变化再多也没有研究价值

聨吟客

對喔,79與75樓黑都可士6進5,不然再改回這樣
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聨吟客

刪除一路兵更險峻一點,且沒有了兵一平二的變化,不知是否可行呢
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桑莫喜

聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-10 12:31
刪除一路兵更險峻一點,且沒有了兵一平二的變化,不知是否可行呢

陈先生,79楼并不复杂,你要的结果可能在这图式中.[DhtmlXQ]
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邢春波

yjr123 发表于 2015-1-10 09:40
楼上第2回合为什么不走士6进5？

现在确实有一种改局的趋势，而且很容易，给脱帽后弱势方增加子力，形成均 ...

余老师一语切中要点，改局容易，但改后要基本能维持原局精彩的着法，那才是提高，这是改局的最低标准，也就是改局质量不能低于原局，尽可能改后质量要有所提高，那才是成功之作。

聨吟客

82樓如果成立,我可滿意,精彩度遠勝原局甚至超越多人喜歡的42樓(當然42樓有其特色),感謝桑兄的天降雙底兵助陣,大家幫忙看看是否正確
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聨吟客

又有點問題了
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聨吟客

這樣可和,但仍有兵一平二變化不知是否也能和否?
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_1]415243425241424151418765[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_47]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_47][DhtmlXQ_comment29]兵來得及平中可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29][DhtmlXQ_comment83]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment83]
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聨吟客

再改一下,這樣是否可以實現我的初衷構思呢?
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桑莫喜

聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-11 09:14
這樣可和,但仍有兵一平二變化不知是否也能和否?

陈先生,87楼红7回合走兵1平2,黑可胜.                                                [DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_47]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]兵來得及平中可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_83]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_83]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]此變不知結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
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感謝桑兄,晚點再找時間學習研究桑兄的走法