江湖大局------停车问路 [古局再诠]

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以下是引用yjr123在2007-2-25 19:28:00的发言：

这样如何？

还没有没有细算，



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[DhtmlXQ_comment26]黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment323]同C变，||[/DhtmlXQ_comment323]
[DhtmlXQ_comment436]黑可色||[/DhtmlXQ_comment436]
[DhtmlXQ_comment440]黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment440]
[DhtmlXQ_comment446]黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment446]
[DhtmlXQ_comment454]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment454]
[DhtmlXQ_comment456]黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment456]
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会心斋

1.帅五进一 m    车３进１ 

  2.相一进三 m    卒６平７ 

  3.帅五平四 m    将６平５ 

  4.帅四平五 m    车３平４ 

  5.车四进二      卒３平４ 

  6.帅五进一      将５退１ 

  7.车四进一 m    车４进１ 

  8.马七进八      车４平２ 

  9.帅五平六 m    车２退２ 

 10.帅六退一      车２进５ 

 11.帅六进一      车２退２ 

 12.车四平五      将５平６ 

 13.帅六退一      车２平４ 

 14.帅六平五      车４进１ 

 15.兵五进一      卒７平６ 

 16.车五平四      将６平５ 

 17.兵五进一      将５平４ 

 18.兵五进一      车４进１ 

 19.帅五退一      卒６进１ 黑胜

 

18.兵五进一应改走兵五平六和

hzsjy

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以下是引用hzsjy在2007-2-27 10:53:00的发言：

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以下是引用会心斋在2007-2-27 10:29:00的发言：

1.帅五进一 m    车３进１ 

  2.相一进三 m    卒６平７ 

  3.帅五平四 m    将６平５ 

  4.帅四平五 m    车３平４ 

  5.车四进二      卒３平４ 

  6.帅五进一      将５退１ 

  7.车四进一 m    车４进１ 

  8.马七进八      车４平２ 

  9.帅五平六 m    车２退２ 

 10.帅六退一      车２进５ 

 11.帅六进一      车２退２ 

 12.车四平五      将５平６ 

 13.帅六退一      车２平４ 

 14.帅六平五      车４进１ 

 15.兵五进一      卒７平６ 

 16.车五平四      将６平５ 

 17.兵五进一      将５平４ 

 18.兵五进一      车４进１ 

 19.帅五退一      卒６进１
  黑胜

 

 

 

18.兵五进一应改走兵五平六和

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-2-27 12:43:53编辑过]

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如果此变成立，帅五进一的许多变例都可参考此变取胜！

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yjr123

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[此贴子已经被作者于2007-2-28 17:27:48编辑过]

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以下是引用yjr123在2007-2-28 16:51:00的发言：
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[此贴子已经被作者于2007-3-3 15:42:02编辑过]

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[此贴子已经被作者于2007-8-8 23:13:32编辑过]

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停车问路)主变(约6000字)刊发于《象棋研究》2007年第3期（2007年6月10日出版）第42－44页。

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-8-8 23:14:06编辑过]

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即第16回合红丙D变有误.

  
黑应第68着车7平3,或第66着车3平6取胜!

  


  


  

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-8-8 22:33:44编辑过]

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接上楼:

有两处可改进的变化!!!

其一:

第14回合红车四进二变至第52着黑吃马可速胜!

  

其二:

第18回合黑变

(如改走将５退１？车四平五，将５平６，马六退四，车３平５，帅五平六，车５平４，帅六平五，将６进１，马四进三，将６进１，车五平四，将６平５，车四平七，将５平６，车七进三，将６退１，车七退一，将６进１，马三退四，将６退１，车七平四，将６平５，车四平六，车４平２，马四进三，将５进１，车六平七，车２平５，帅五平四，将５平６，马三退四，将６退１，车七进二，将６退１，马四进三，将６平５，车七进一，红胜。)

 即第57着红可改车七进二也胜.

  

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-8-8 22:52:07编辑过]

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07陆李版竹谱--------正局主变着法是否成立?

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2007.01.01----河南科学技术出版-------陆曙光诠注改编-----李浭释义校对------竹香斋象棋谱

从373至399,共27页,一万多字介绍了停车问路(“停舆待渡).

--------除了正局主变外还有22注解.

其中注3-注4-注6-注7-注13-注17-依次分别列为附图1至附图6.

请看看此谱--------下面这些变化是否有疑问?

第376页之注11.

一.

二.

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三.

07陆李版竹谱第379页即附图1的变化:

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07陆李版竹谱第381页即附图1的变化:

四:

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07陆李版竹谱附图2的变化:

五:

第384页的<注2>有误

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07陆李版竹谱附图3即第386页:

六:

以上着法值得商确!!

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-8-8 23:44:24编辑过]

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07陆李版竹谱第396页:

即附图5:

主变如下:

&nbs07p; 七.

八. 附图5的注1:

总之附图5的错误最多!!!

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07陆李版竹谱第398页:

即附图6主变如下:

&nbs

p;

也有讨论的空间!!

凌云子

hzsjy 先生说“停车问路”内容有400多变。

是沈先生整理的吗，用“东萍”（象棋桥看不到）发来看看。

hzsjy

是您自己在“智弈”说的呀。说弄了400多变放在U盘里，后U盘坏了。

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U盘坏了

现在只有246变的《百22》投稿区 → 古局研究-------停车新貌 。

所有的已公开发表的"停车问路"正确变例都不再介绍。

已公开发表主要的有：

陆曙光诠注改编-----李浭释义校对------竹香斋象棋谱从373至399,共27页。

停车问路主变(约6000字)刊发于《象棋研究》2007年第3期。

朱鹤洲先生诠注1999年出版的《江湖排局集成》第118局，

我不知道停车问路能整出多少变？

hzsjy

我用三个U盘二台电脑和二个网盘做备份（轮着日子做）。

语苛经历

《江湖大局——停车问路》

看来还是“江湖大局”变化更多啊。
“江湖四大名局”之“七星聚会、“千里独行”、“蚯蚓降龙”、“野马操田”属于中等局，而“停车问路”、“鸿门夜宴”、“征西”等属于“江湖大局”。

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猜迷---

 

 

停车问路猜一人名(汉代).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“停车问路”原来是这样解释的：

       战国末年，楚国人李斯因劝说秦王政统一天下，被秦王政所赏识而加以重用，因此在秦王政统一天下以后，他被任命为丞相。公元前237年，秦始皇的宗亲贵族建议秦始皇把不是秦国人的外来宾客统统赶走；当朝丞相李斯因为是楚国人，也被赶出国外。执行“逐客令”的将士，把李斯装上送客车，有士兵押车送出秦国边境。正当李斯被押到秦国边疆时，他在车上叫喊："赶快停车！"问押送士兵道："现在到了什么地方？"以问路为借口喊停车马，然后李斯说："我有一件军政大事，必须向秦王奏明，才能离开."于是李斯上书秦始皇，这就是历史著名的《谏逐客书》，秦始皇看完全文以后，立即传旨撤销了“逐客令”并召回李斯恢复了丞相职务。停车问路是李斯施用的计谋。

llllssss

怎么在我的电脑上第4页显示的是乱码,其它页正常呀

歆滿樓主

 

　　呵！从１０１大楼看下去，全都是代码，看不到真实『风景』。

 

  　

歆滿樓主

 

　　试著复制代码到别个网站张贴，结果大都出现如下类似的回答：

 

 

字数超过

 

　　也就是说帖子的长度超过了系统所要求的字数范围，因此不能显现＜东萍动态棋盘＞。后来商请友人留云轩主，看能否在他能够发帖的论坛内显现棋盘？结果是＜泓弈象棋网＞可以贴出。于是吾友制作了一个专题《凌云子诠注的〝停车问路〞》，转贴了过去。

 

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