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大局小局取决于变化多少，并非根据子力多寡而定，因为增子并不一定增加变化。

我认为一些变化较少且容易把握的可以称为小局，作者自己都无法把握变化却称为小局是否对自己有些……。

以下是引用凌云子在2006-3-10 0:48:00的发言：

这样会更好！

28着黑走

１４．．．．．车６退３
１５．帅六退一卒５进１
１６．士五进六车６进３
（１６回合红另有选择）

红以后如何应？

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-10 22:19:31编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-10 22:32

您好。

呵呵！

是28着！

请先看一下图！谢谢！

以下是2006-2-25 7:15:00的发言：

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-10 22:45

您好：

楼上的图是先前的，现在图已改，所以着法有变化了．

(此路变化应着正确是红胜.)

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-10 23:21:44编辑过]

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 18:05
标题: 看来此局要不成立?

以下是引用凌云子在2006-3-10 0:48:00的发言：

这样会更好！

38着
黑车6进2...........
40着:
黑卒5进1...........
42着(关键):
黑车6进2...........

红如何应?

简单演示如下(已将重复和无用着法去除):

瑞犬迎春(未知)

作者: 小车马 时间: 2006-3-13 18:38
15楼还可以继续走，

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 18:47
好棋!
有否以下着法?
瑞犬迎春(未知)

作者: 小车马 时间: 2006-3-13 18:53

以下是引用凌云子在2006-3-10 22:32:00的发言：

您好。

呵呵！

是28着！

请先看一下图！谢谢！

以下是2006-2-25 7:15:00的发言：

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]nnnnnn485737nnnn59nnnn533342nn223629nnnn51nn60nnnnnn283569nnnnnn[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]一闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]二闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]如改走士五退六与士五退四基本相同,和....[士五退六变可避免卒7平6吃士的变化.]||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]三闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]四闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment98]
[DhtmlXQ_comment122]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment122]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment266]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment266]
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车6进3的变化有问题：

作者: 小车马 时间: 2006-3-13 18:59
17楼的变着13楼已经有演示，红方不用走兵五平六应该可胜。

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 19:04
好!
看来着法或图要重新考虑了!

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 19:08
13楼黑是车6进3,17楼是黑车6进2.不一样.

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-13 20:41

首先感谢hzsjy 小车马，二位的热烈讨论！

第15，17楼的第8着应车4平6！

其次第18 楼：

以下是引用小车马在2006-3-13 18:53:00的发言：

车6进3的变化有问题：

第53着有误！红应弃兵！

试演如下：

仍是红胜？

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另外：关于“将重复和无用着法去除”的问题，

我认为作为“狗娃闹春”，其神似狗，其着之趣在于“重复和无用着法”的黑车与红兵的胡闹瞎闹，正由此照显“狗娃闹春”的热闹！

[ “狗娃闹春”的最简着法已介绍，但二图有点问题，我一直未更正]

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最后，请教一个问题：11楼的结尾部分，会不会出现“左（右）卒封江”的必胜局面？

[因为〈少子百局谱〉未带在身上]

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-13 21:18:13编辑过]

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 20:51
17楼的着法是黑胜,还要黑改变着法?

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-13 20:52:53编辑过]

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 21:01
上面引用"小车马"的着法,如第52着黑改走炮4平5会怎样?

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 21:44

以下是引用hzsjy在2006-3-13 21:01:00的发言：
上面引用"小车马"的着法,如第52着黑改走炮4平5会怎样?

不好意思意思,这样要输.

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-13 21:50

以下是引用hzsjy在2006-3-13 21:01:00的发言：
上面引用"小车马"的着法,如第52着黑改走炮4平5会怎样?

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作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 21:56
第5着车吃象即胜!

但17楼的着法是否成立?如成立就是黑胜局了!

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-13 21:56:40编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-13 21:58

以下是引用hzsjy在2006-3-13 18:47:00的发言：
好棋!
有否以下着法?

瑞犬迎春(未知)

引用小车马的发言：“17楼的变着13楼已经有演示，红方不用走兵五平六应该可胜。”

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 22:01

以下是引用hzsjy在2006-3-13 19:08:00的发言：
13楼黑是车6进3,17楼是黑车6进2.不一样.

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-13 22:12
WebCchess - [瑞犬迎春] 今天就到这儿了!

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-13 22:12

(发布时间：2006-3-13 21:56:00)

-- 作者：hzsjy (发布时间：2006-3-13 21:56:00)
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第5着车吃象即胜!

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哦！我画蛇添足

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第52着黑：如卒6平5，红弃兵可胜；又炮4平5则车二平三也胜。总之[狗娃闹春]还是成立！

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18楼的着法；

以下是引用小车马在2006-3-13 18:53:00的发言：

车6进3的变化有问题：

红还有一种方法取胜

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以下是引用hzsjy在2006-3-13 19:08:00的发言：
13楼黑是车6进3,17楼是黑车6进2.不一样.

我还是看不明白

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刚才我又看了二三次。

以下是17 楼的图吧！

好棋!
有否以下着法?

瑞犬迎春(未知)

以下是第30楼的图

以下是引用hzsjy在2006-3-13 22:12:00的发言：














今天就到这儿了!

祝您晚安！

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引用小车马的发言：“17楼的变着13楼已经有演示，红方不用走兵五平六应该可胜。”

[已作补充]

请注意17楼第29着有变化，红帅六退一则红胜！

[另外17楼第8着黑先卒4平5 则红可胜！应车4平6，改变走子次序]

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在学习hzsjy先生的12，15楼的着法基础之上！

再研究发现黑方的确可胜

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-14 0:04:10编辑过]

作者: 小车马 时间: 2006-3-14 09:48

另外：关于“将重复和无用着法去除”的问题，

我认为作为“狗娃闹春”，其神似狗，其着之趣在于“重复和无用着法”的黑车与红兵的胡闹瞎闹，正由此照显“狗娃闹春”的热闹！

不以为然！

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-14 18:47
标题: 回31楼

终于找到正确的着法.看来黑8路卒在黑的左边是不合适的(去掉省心).可否考虑将卒移到黑的右边.

只是一个想法!

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-16 00:22

以下是引用hzsjy在2006-3-14 18:47:00的发言：

终于找到正确的着法.看来黑8路卒在黑的左边是不合适的(去掉省心).可否考虑将卒移到黑的右边.

只是一个想法!

虽然１楼卒在７路失败前面的两个在８路也失败！

但黑卒在黑的左边还是成立! 即在９路

［原１０楼］

我正在考虑将卒移到黑的右边.［目的使瑞犬迎春能在狗娃闹春的基础上有所突破］

作者: 小车马 时间: 2006-3-17 17:26
34楼53着应兵一进一

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-17 20:19

看来红兵太近了！

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-3-17 21:01

我正在考虑将卒移到黑的右边.［目的使瑞犬迎春能在狗娃闹春的基础上有所突破］

42着黑卒不吃士可和. 另上楼改图18回合的变着至58着改走卒4进1黑可胜.

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-17 21:58
标题: 改一下

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-7-24 23:19:20编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-23 01:31
标题: 好像可和？

http://lpforth.forthfreak.net/cgi-bin/endgame.cgi?5K392R6998p8P3r53k59

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-7-24 23:05:07编辑过]

作者: 小车马 时间: 2006-3-23 09:25
呵呵，39楼55着车五进六打将再退五捉卒

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2011-10-25 19:19

呵呵，一眨眼五年多过去了。
经过研究36楼无法成和。

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