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[江湖局研究] 野马操田

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[DhtmlXQ_comment40]如红方仍走车三平一,则象7退9,车一平三,红方长杀,违反现行棋规,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
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[DhtmlXQ_length]1091[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_other]残局天下[/DhtmlXQ_other]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]13[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]18102020[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]旧时天气[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]旧时天气[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 本局为流行的“野马操田”局,最早载于1879年出版的《蕉窗逸品》,着法从《中国象棋谱》、朱鹤洲诠注的《竹香斋》等。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30](“小开車”)[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39](可走马六进八、将5平4,马八退六、将5平4再马六退八,多一路对黑方的考验。)[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_61]按当时惯例,不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_52]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]红优。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]以后变化繁复,但红占优。||--《中国象棋谱》注。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_45]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_42]正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_55]按当时棋例,不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_59] 红方虽为长要杀,但按那里的惯例,双方不变,可以作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_56]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_50]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_48]劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_65]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_47]红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_49]如马八进六,黑卒5进1连杀胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_44]劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_51]红胜、[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_59]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_42]劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_73]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_61]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_68]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_68]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_51]红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_50]黑劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_55]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]再卒4进1黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_68]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_45] 红方平車是暗伏杀着,属于长杀之类,但按照那里的棋例,在这样的情况下,双方不变,可以算和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_61]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_43]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_62]下着黑卒4进1胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_42]劣着,是失败的关键。||应象7退9。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_39]抽兵再兑子,成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_52]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_39]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_58]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_45]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_36]黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_45]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_39]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_42]红马失去作用,双車仍被牵制,以后黑有卒4进1等杀着,||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_38]黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_53]很好的停着。--使黑方欠行。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_59]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_57]仍红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_55]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_59]停着,红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_34]黑劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_30](“大开車”)[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_32]97[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_43]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_51]关键之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_55]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_51]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_56]再平6捉死红马,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_47]黑优。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_48]黑先手,红较难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_51]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_49]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_63]黑虽主动,但红方可以守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_51]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_64]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_45]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_38]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_43]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_37]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_65]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_53]劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_54]精妙之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_66]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_61]又如車七平八,車1平3黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_64]黑亦胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_47]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_47]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_66]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_39]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment79_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_48]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment79_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_39]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_33]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_25]红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_25]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]陸曙光竹譜詮注本中的改局,其採用李浭,陶詒謨的修改圖o[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment64]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment28]黑另有车6平9的走法,称之为边路车局,红可另有途径妙手弈和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红平车连营,可以简易求和。因有七路高相固守中路(旧局红高相在边路),黑4路后卒不可平中作杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]因为红有前车平五,然后车二进四杀的冷着。所以,黑只能平车先叫将了。如走其他走法,红都可以长兑车作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]妙!求和的佳着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]兑车后,和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]旧局主变走的是退车守底,若本局势退车守底的话,则要输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]败着。为何会败呢?成也高相,败也高相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]妙!旧局走车5退1,则为败,本局走车5退1,则为胜。因为高相的原因,这里不做详解,可参考小平车之大开车的走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]至此,红有卒5平4(称大平车)和车2平3(小平车)的走法。||大平车:||因为没有七路原位兵,黑可卒5平4后,可直接车2平5将军,后面的变化和旧局不一样,主要区别在大开车的走法。||小平车:旧局的走法,可参考旧局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]这和旧局小开车的走法一模一样,不做详解。因为红右车在二路,不再三路,黑没有旧局飞象拦车逼红犯规的棋路,从而消除了棋规上的纠纷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]可参照旧局走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]大平车。这是旧局走不出来的走法,从而丰富了野马局的变化程度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_36]可参考旧局走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]和旧局不一样,红右车在二路,不在三路,故没有进车兑车的棋,不过,黑这退车,红还是可以守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]进二路车将军,比进一路车将军复杂一些。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]以上的脱帽和旧局一样,可参考旧局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]弃相局!?黑若吃相,则不好走,黑若不吃相,则能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]软着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]黑无棋入局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]黑可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]诱红车六平七守相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_38]黑胜势。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]此局面,局势复杂,红车马双相对车双卒,不过,红应该可以苦战守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]因为高相的原因,红无法守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]小平车之大开车走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]红可守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]小平车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]大平车之大开车走法,结果和旧局不一样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]大开车之小开车走法。可参考旧局走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_56]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是本人对江湖八大残局之“野马操田”的改局。分别去掉了黑中路象和红七路原位兵。将之改名为“越马操田”,越,百越之野,故而名之。||不知道结论是否和棋,以下是本人的所拟的走法,因水平有限,难免有错误的地方。若有感兴趣的棋友,可共同研究学习。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_44]
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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]古谱排局四大名局[/DhtmlXQ_event]
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[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]竹香斋[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]竹剑飘香[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]10[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 此局载自《竹香斋》名为“大车马”,较《野马操田》正局只多有一路边兵,但结果为红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1](《竹香斋》此着走车二进四,结果殊途同归。)[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9](此第5着至第6着将4平5为《竹香斋》谱中所无,竹谱直接走车三退一,此着从《中国象棋谱》)[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21](竹谱此着走车一平六,因第一步时竹谱走的是车二进四之故。至此形成殊途同归的图势--竹剑飘香录注)[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32]古谱原着法。||软着,结果成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]平车4路易遭风险。||可走车9平3。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]原谱第1局正和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]应车4平2。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_47]大劣着。应马八进七红可胜。|| 详见第23着时红走车四平七之变例。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]原谱12变红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]按那里棋例,双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_45]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_65]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_46]劣着。||应车4退6。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_51]可车四平五红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]可车四进二。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_59]原谱11变黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]双方不变可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_42]黑劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_49](似可车四进四,再平六便杀,竹剑飘香录注)[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]原谱10变黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_51]原谱14变黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_44]原谱9变红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_49]速和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_43]原谱6变正和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]原谱14变正和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_41]败着,应车四平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_45]原谱7变正和。||实际黑可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_60]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_45]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_36]黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]原谱8变黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_36]  红车可择机走车三平二黑无便宜。||  (以下亦有复杂变化,因其与“野马操田”正局中的该路变化无异,请参阅正局,此处略。--竹剑飘香 录注。)[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_34]黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]原谱四变黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_47]黑卒难逃,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_34]黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_39]原谱5变黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_44]拦住红三路车,使其不能通头。可以稳操胜券。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_50]可避免红车打将,很好的停着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_40]黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_32]软着,结果和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_43]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_34]速和。|| 可车9进2,变化复杂,黑较主动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_39]原谱三变正和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_65]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_47]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_66]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_37]败着,应马七退五,可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_40]原谱12变红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_64]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_25]红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_34]杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_26]应车3进2黑可速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_32]软着,结果成和。||应车5平8可以取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_37]败着,应车三进一可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_38]原谱二变红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_55]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_10]误,红可速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_19]杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_19]
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 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-26 01:05:03 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 石川铃华老湿 于 2022-11-26 01:06 编辑

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 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-26 01:11:27 | 显示全部楼层
老鸽子,快来助本圣教一捅江湖~~~~
发表于 2022-11-27 20:23:34 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-11-27 20:59 编辑

你这小子怎么不分帖发出来?我进来看了几次,都难以表述!

第一图有边卒的“野马操田”是徐家亮、苏德龙1988年版《百局象棋谱新编》里的改图吗?当然1999年版的《…精编》有此图。第三图“大车马修改局”是李浭、陶诒谟2000年《竹香斋》诠注本之图,它是此版仅有的两个新图之一,其余改图均出自旧谱。其它在棋盘中已有说明。

第四图“越马操田”你自己的改局,是否相当于把可以去掉的子都去掉了,但去掉的并非冗子,是吗?去掉中象《百花21集》“良马操田”已有出现,你这局多去掉了一个红兵。

发表于 2022-11-27 20:57:48 | 显示全部楼层
 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-27 23:27:17 | 显示全部楼层
凌云子 发表于 2022-11-27 20:57
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=9742&extra=
当年研究过。

看了个寂莫
 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-27 23:35:07 | 显示全部楼层
老鸽子 发表于 2022-11-27 20:23
你这小子怎么不分帖发出来?我进来看了几次,都难以表述!

第一图有边卒的“野马操田”是徐家亮、苏德龙 ...

七位兵,以前有人研究过。并非冗子!
 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-27 23:40:26 | 显示全部楼层
老鸽子 发表于 2022-11-27 20:23
你这小子怎么不分帖发出来?我进来看了几次,都难以表述!

第一图有边卒的“野马操田”是徐家亮、苏德龙 ...

老鸽子,快看,这样改,见过了吗?
如果撞车就是老鸽子
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 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-27 23:44:24 | 显示全部楼层
感觉好像没啥区别
发表于 2022-11-28 00:07:13 | 显示全部楼层

有文字说明。

一.......红先黑胜





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二.......减边卒黑胜!!!!

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三.......红长杀判和!!三.....减边兵成和!-----

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四......再减七兵,中象---分捉二子判和




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五......再删中兵,一捉一要杀.--即..连续三次单纯减子成和乃奇局也                 http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... xtra=&mobile=no




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发表于 2022-11-28 00:34:42 | 显示全部楼层
石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-11-27 23:40
老鸽子,快看,这样改,见过了吗?
如果撞车就是老鸽子

撞车是常见的事。

四......再减七兵,中象---分捉二子判和


与越马操田撞车了。








今年年初,就撞了一回。
起因《竹谱》三集第34局八仙航海是黑胜局,
就想到把九路兵移至八路,
前前后后研究一个多月……
结果翻书一看,撞车了,朱鹤洲先生早就改过了,另外杨明忠先生也想到这个方案。
拆解了那么长时间,个人还是有收获的。


题外话:当年我也喜欢减子滴。

发表于 2022-11-28 00:45:36 | 显示全部楼层

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发表于 2022-11-28 03:49:53 | 显示全部楼层
8楼三路高象局未见撞车,但图势有所不同的三路高象局还是有几个,例如《棋局与故事》“胡服骑射”。

本类古局多边兵黑胜,是有点奇葩,但减边卒黑胜则不足为奇,因为也是多边兵黑胜而已,而不是减边卒造成黑胜。
发表于 2022-11-28 11:59:56 | 显示全部楼层
以前我有一個改圖也撞了敖兄

敖兄比我先公開發表的   呵呵呵

英雄所見略同啊

野馬操田類型局  久沒複習就要再花大量時間重溫   感嘆精力不如以往
呵呵呵
 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-30 00:33:47 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 石川铃华老湿 于 2022-11-30 00:35 编辑

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 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-30 00:40:18 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2022-11-30 10:06:23 | 显示全部楼层

好像就是16樓這個圖
我撞了敖兄
你再連環撞了嗎
 楼主| 发表于 2022-11-30 17:35:03 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2022-11-30 10:06
好像就是16樓這個圖
我撞了敖兄
你再連環撞了嗎

不是撞,我只是要研究~~~~
发表于 2022-12-1 11:18:54 | 显示全部楼层
石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-11-30 17:35
不是撞,我只是要研究~~~~

我也記不清了  不知有沒有邊兵

要問敖兄了

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