[原创]狗娃闹春----- 凌云子,yjr123,hzsjy - 华工象棋论坛

以下是引用凌云子在2006-1-28 12:17:00的发言：

yjr123先生的意见需研究！

hzsjy先生的意见正确，不能高象！

第29着红车平四将军！（黑卒在8路）

作者: yjr123 时间: 2006-1-28 12:43

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-1-28 13:29

以下是引用yjr123在2006-1-28 12:43:00的发言：

有否可能走成下面的结果？ jkkhj(未知)

作者: yjr123 时间: 2006-1-28 13:57

象７进５妙，黑胜！

但发现红另有取胜妙法，即在第４回合(第7着)红方不走车四平七，而改为士五退六，结论是红胜。

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-28 15:03:55编辑过]

作者: 敖日西 时间: 2006-1-28 16:08
标题: 这图形状不错

A.保持底象,7卒.

B.加黑马,红车必吃

C,七兵过河,增强红势,又避免黑象7进5.

感谢yjr123 先生hzsjy先生的大力支持！

祝您们狗年大发大旺！心想事成！

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-28 16:17:24编辑过]

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-1-28 21:08

此局越来越有意思，

yjr123的走法是新发现。

上楼的改局我再试一下：

jkkhj(未知)
jkkhj(未知)

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-28 22:25:01编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-1-29 13:50
标题: hzsjy 您的提出问题见注解

<<狗娃闹春>>详细变着如下

补1路重要的---------红方劣变着法：

我费了不少时间，才找到取胜之道！

结尾的残局略显简单!

下图如何?

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-15 6:16:21编辑过]

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-1-30 09:03

以下是引用凌云子在2006-1-29 13:50:00的发言：

补1路重要的---------红方劣变着法：

我费了不少时间，才找到取胜之道！

第七着兵五平六妙！！！

但是后面着法值得探讨。我的意见是红方可胜。

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-30 9:07:55编辑过]

作者: liqingsong 时间: 2006-1-30 10:43

17楼的2图好像可和

第9着后兵平五的变化中

红可弃车再士四进五

接有平兵或着进兵杀棋

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-30 10:45:00编辑过]

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-1-30 17:14

以下是引用liqingsong在2006-1-30 10:43:00的发言：

17楼的2图好像可和

第9着后兵平五的变化中

红可弃车再士四进五

接有平兵或着进兵杀棋

17楼2图红弃车后再士四进五,黑可炮3退7,红兵六平五黑车5退1是可和.

问题是在棋局开始后黑走将4进1吃兵后红兵六不走进一叫将.(红大概可胜)

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-1-30 18:20

弃兵需深入研究！

下图是备用的方案！[棋形太差}

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作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-1-30 19:37

以下是引用凌云子在2006-1-29 13:50:00的发言：

17楼2图试演如下：

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-1-30 23:17

hzsjy辛苦了！

我再研究，如下[像是黑胜}

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-31 9:03:59编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-1-31 09:13

可能是这样？！

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-1-31 12:34
标题: 回复：（凌云子）hzsjy辛苦了！[em21][em46] ...
23楼17着红士五进四以后会怎样？

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-2 14:49

-- 回hzsj
23楼17着红士五进四以后会怎样？

车6进7保炮，白吃兵！必胜！

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-2-2 14:57
有士阻挡如何保炮？

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-4 17:12

网吧竞然无法下载软件？

回hzsjy
23楼17着红有

A。车七进一见23。24楼

B，士五进六，士五退六均车6进7。

C。车七平九，则卒5进1，帅五平六，车6进4，可胜

D。士五进四，则卒5进1，帅五退一（帅五平六车6进6,帅六退一，卒5进1。。。黑胜）车6进6。。。。应是黑胜

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-5 15:00:18编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-5 15:43

<<狗娃闹春>>详细变着如下

另1路重要的红变成和着法：

2图的红劣变如下

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-15 6:17:43编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-7 07:37
标题: 上楼着法有误

<<狗娃闹春>>详细变着如下

第一种成和着法

第二种成和着法：

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-15 6:19:07编辑过]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2006-2-7 14:28
第二种成和着法的第6回合黑方先将４退１让一步，红方没有后续手段，黑胜。

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-7 18:27

上楼yjr123 的着法的确妙!

为什么我没想到?

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-7 19:14:11编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-7 19:16

第一种成和着法还不精确:

作者: yjr123 时间: 2006-2-7 19:44

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-8 07:13

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-8 8:01:47编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-12 00:24
标题: 重大漏洞

黑胜局！！

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-13 1:08:07编辑过]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2006-2-12 10:01

重大漏洞实际上不是漏洞，因为红方有对付黑方卒４进１的妙着。

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-13 01:10

终于找到!

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-13 1:22:59编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-14 04:12

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[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-15 6:07:23编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-15 06:57
标题: 详细变着如下

[一]原变着如下

[二]红第一回合变着:

[三]红第四回合变着:

[四]黑第六回合变着:

[五]<<狗娃闹春>>正局主变着法修订如下:

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-18 01:04
标题: ［狗娃闹春］凌云子，yjr123,hzsjy

虽然春节已过去多日,但这必竟是我的原创第1局,

此局能演示成如下的变化,,也是yjr123,hzsjy等先生的大力帮助与支持，再次表示感谢！

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-24 1:57:53编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-23 07:09
标题: 红第三回合的兵四平五变，如下
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作者: hzsjy 时间: 2006-2-23 11:52

有一个人看法,不知当否?
走完29回合的形势如图

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分析一下:
红棋先走:
1).红无兵已不会输棋.
2).红如进兵或车保兵是红稍优.
如上所述,黑是否应在一恰当的位置添一卒.
1).一可达到子力的均衡.
2).二可增加后面的变化.应让红苦守成和.
以上纯属个人见解,做个参考!

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-23 12:13:38编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-24 00:32

hzsjy先生,你的见解

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]nnnnnn485737nnnn59nnnn533342nn223629nnnn51nn60nnnnnn283569nnnnnn[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]一闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]二闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]如改走士五退六与士五退四基本相同,和....[士五退六变可避免卒7平6吃士的变化.]||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]三闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]四闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment100]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment133]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment133]
[DhtmlXQ_comment137]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment137]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment152]
[DhtmlXQ_comment204]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment204]
[DhtmlXQ_comment231]可和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment231]
[DhtmlXQ_comment406]也和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment406]
[DhtmlXQ_comment442]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment442]
[DhtmlXQ_comment627]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment627]
[DhtmlXQ_comment715]此变原以为可和,经研究黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment715]
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[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-25 7:16:43编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-25 07:15
标题: 红黑双方均可选择速和!又可多玩1 下．

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]nnnnnn485737nnnn59nnnn533342nn223629nnnn51nn60nnnnnn283569nnnnnn[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]一闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]二闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]如改走士五退六与士五退四基本相同,和....[士五退六变可避免卒7平6吃士的变化.]||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]三闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]四闹春||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment98]
[DhtmlXQ_comment122]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment122]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment152]
[DhtmlXQ_comment203]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment203]
[DhtmlXQ_comment217]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment217]
[DhtmlXQ_comment222]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment222]
[DhtmlXQ_comment242]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment242]
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1. 兵四进一 …………

一闹春

1. ………… 将６退１ 2. 兵四进一将６平５ 3. 兵五进一将５平４
4. 车四平七车４平６ 5. 帅四平五车６平５ 6. 帅五平四车５平６
7. 帅四平五卒４平５ 8. 兵五平六 …………

二闹春

8. ………… 将４平５ 9. 前兵平五将５平４ 10. 士五退四 …………

如改走士五退六与士五退四基本相同,和....[士五退六变可避免卒7平6吃士的变化.]

10. ………… 车６进２ 11. 兵五平六 …………

三闹春

11. ………… 将４平５ 12. 前兵平五将５平４ 13. 士六退五卒５进１
14. 帅五平六车６退５ 15. 兵五平六 …………

四闹春

15. ………… 将４平５ 16. 前兵平五将５平４ 17. 兵五平六将４平５
18. 兵四平五将５平６ 19. 后兵平五车６平５ 20. 帅六退一卒５进１
21. 士五进六车５平４ 22. 士四进五炮３平５ 23. 车七进二炮５退７
24. 兵六平五车４平５ 25. 车七退二车５平４ 26. 车七进二车４平５
27. 车七退二车５退２ 28. 车七平三象７进９

如改走车５进１则车三进九将６进１；车三退一将６退１；车三退六卒５平４；车三平六，车５平３；车六平四将６平５；车四平五将５平６；帅六平五车３平６速和

29. 车三进七车５平６
30. 车三退五．．．．．

如改走车三平五则车６进７；士六退五车６平５；帅六退一车５平３
；车五退五车３退６；帅六平五车３平６速和

３０．．．．车６平５ 31. 车三平二象９退７ 32. 车二进七车５平７
33. 车二退七车７平５ 34. 车二平三象７进９ 35. 车三平二象９退７
36. 车二平三象７进９ 37. 车三进一车５进１ 38. 兵七进一车５平３
39. 车三平二将６平５ 40. 车二平五将５平６ 41. 车五平二将６平５
42. 车二平五将５平６ 43. 兵七平六车３平４ 44. 车五退一车４退１
45. 帅六平五车４平２ 46. 车五进七将６进１ 47. 车五退三车２进１
48. 车五平四车２平６ 49. 车四进一将６进１

和

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-27 6:54:37编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-2-27 07:23

最简着法如下:

[一变]

[二变]

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-15 22:41:58编辑过]

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2006-3-15 23:06
标题: [求助]请问如何确定和局着法的长短

红黑双方均可选择速和!又可多玩1 下．或直接采用最简着法

作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-6-24 17:34
赞成多玩一会。 [ 本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2009-6-24 18:41 编辑 ]

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2009-6-24 19:12
现在＂凌云子＂先生有些时间没露面了，甚念．还望露个头，留个名．起码我是在＂想．．．．．．＂．

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2009-6-24 23:28
[quote]原帖由 hzsjy 于 2009-6-24 19:12 发表

现在＂凌云子＂先生有些时间没露面了，甚念．还望露个头，留个名．起码我是在＂想．．．．．．＂．不好意思! 最近心情不大好,头脑混乱.很久没有接触排局了.

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2009-6-25 21:43

此局黑胜!

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作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-6-25 21:58
标题: 回复 51# 凌云子的帖子
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