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标题: [江湖棋局研究]《大破天门阵》 [打印本页]

作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-6 19:26
标题: [江湖棋局研究]《大破天门阵》
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-6-6 19:29:25编辑过]

作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-6 22:33

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作者: 不老松    时间: 2008-6-7 11:00
大破天门阵的着法,红方亦不能胜,当车4进1,马八进六,则车4退3!,(兵不敢平五,否则卒7进1成杀,)以后不论车一进五,或进六,都可成和.这大概正是棋局作者的初意.
作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 11:22
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作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 11:36
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作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 12:31
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 14:26
5楼的形势,我在4楼中已经演变,红方应走炮六退三(5楼走的是车一平六),结果也是红胜,有不对的地方请指正。
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 14:35
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作者: 不老松    时间: 2008-6-7 14:46
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 14:46

回8楼,不能判和,亚规对“捉”判得较严。

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作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 14:49
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 14:55
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 14:59

作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 15:02
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作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 15:04
QUOTE:
以下是引用yjr123在2008-6-7 14:26:00的发言:
5楼的形势,我在4楼中已经演变,红方应走炮六退三(5楼走的是车一平六),结果也是红胜,有不对的地方请指正。

走卒五进一,构成绝杀,我不知走的对不对,我认为走将四进一是个败招,修改棋图目的不让你走将四进一,他走车一退二,


作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 15:09
QUOTE:
以下是引用江湖。残局在2008-6-7 15:04:00的发言:

走卒五进一,构成绝杀,我不知走的对不对,我认为走将四进一是个败招,修改棋图目的不让你走将四进一,他走车一退二,

请看清楚5楼的棋图,哪里可以走卒5进1?


作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 15:14

作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 15:18

看11楼的棋图该黑放走,是不是构成绝杀。

要是不对你可以把我的帖子删除,管理员谢谢你们,让你们费心了。


作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 15:25
11楼的棋图轮到黑方走,那当然是杀棋,但怎么走成的呢?
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 15:25
18楼说的对,11楼是杀棋,但这是2楼红方的一个漏勺,并不是说明黑方真的能胜或能和。
作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 15:31
呵呵,是我输入着法的时候漏了一个回合(炮九退二、车5进1),对不起。
作者: 不老松    时间: 2008-6-7 15:35

如此形势,是否可和?

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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 15:39
走成这样似乎能和,但是红方是否走得太迁就了?
作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 15:43

22楼最后红方走车一平三占优,但能否胜还没有仔细算,因为前面红方已经有机会取胜,没有必要再算其他枝节变化。

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作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 15:43
星海版主你不是原图吗?请你把他的一本正和步法,给发布一下,看看摆残局老艺人的脚本图,求你了?
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 15:46
不是发过了吗?
作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 15:58
第几楼的帖子是正和步,请明示?辛苦了版主。
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 16:06
那一局我不是发了吗?5楼是纷和,没有正官和着法。也是红方优势,也许还有尚未发现的变化。
作者: 江湖。残局    时间: 2008-6-7 16:15
QUOTE:
以下是引用yjr123在2008-6-7 15:31:00的发言:
呵呵,是我输入着法的时候漏了一个回合(炮九退二、车5进1),对不起。

请管理员更正,炮九退二、车5进1,放到原来的位置我们好参考,把原来的帖子修复一下好吗?

我比经年,有很多言语冒犯之处,请管理员谅解,对不起了。


作者: ★星海★    时间: 2008-6-7 16:32

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最后红炮打卒,黑方已经很难应了。

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作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 16:48

补充修正

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作者: 不老松    时间: 2008-6-7 17:21
QUOTE:
以下是引用★星海★在2008-6-7 15:39:00的发言:
走成这样似乎能和,但是红方是否走得太迁就了?

请指正那几着走得太迁就?续演如下:

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作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 17:24
走成楼上形势之前的着法太迁就,因为红方有几次取胜的机会都漏掉了。
作者: 不老松    时间: 2008-6-7 19:10
QUOTE:
以下是引用yjr123在2008-6-7 17:24:00的发言:
走成楼上形势之前的着法太迁就,因为红方有几次取胜的机会都漏掉了。

虚心求教,请具体指出,那几着太迁就,有漏洞,使我长进.

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作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 19:21
已经贴出具体着法了,没有看到吗?第14楼。
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2008-6-7 19:32

再整理一下

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作者: 语苛经历    时间: 2008-6-10 12:07
本局很有趣,顶起来好好看看。
作者: 语苛经历    时间: 2008-6-11 20:24

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作者: 语苛经历    时间: 2008-6-11 20:29
 1.前炮平六      车4进1 
  2.车五进一      将4平5 
  3.炮一平五      炮5平9 
  4.车一进四      卒7平6 
  5.帅四平五      将5平4 
  6.马八进六      车4进4 
  7.仕六进五      车4进1 m
  8.仕五进六      车4退1 
  9.炮五平六      车4平5 
 10.帅五平六      炮1平4 m
 11.车一平六      将4平5 
 12.炮六平五      车5退2*

黑方第3回合走炮5平9不是速胜吗?
作者: 语苛经历    时间: 2008-6-11 20:37

哦,不行,如果这样则炮六平二红胜.

  1. 前炮平六  车4进1
  2. 车五进一  将4平5
  3. 炮一平五  炮5平9
  4. 车一进四  卒7平6
  5. 帅四平五  将5平4
  6. 马八进六  车4进4
  7. 士六进五  车4进1
  8. 士五进六  车4退1
  9. 炮五平六  车4平5
 10. 帅五平六  炮1平4
 11. 炮六平二






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