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标题: 马路残局,请教大师怎样是正解? [打印本页]

作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-20 17:59
标题: 马路残局,请教大师怎样是正解?

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-20 20:21

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-20 20:29

作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-20 23:35
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作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-20 23:41

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 00:09

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 00:12
上图是QQ526844404的棋友刚传给我的图，红又多加了两个兵，我想应当是黑胜局吧。因为红兵反而挡住了红炮退回防守。

作者: 080123 时间: 2008-9-21 00:18
上面的解法都是车三近四，为什么要走车呢？直接沉炮至底不就赢了么？请大师正解……

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 00:21

作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-21 07:53

QUOTE:

以下是引用语苛经历在2008-9-20 23:41:00的发言：

红须变。变化后还是和棋，着法同正变。

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作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 08:25
哦,原来红应该这样走,谢谢各位大师的指教

作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 09:20

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-9-21 9:36:58编辑过]

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 09:20

作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 09:32

QUOTE:

以下是引用语苛经历在2008-9-21 9:20:00的发言：

又看了看，卒8平7不成立。因为红可直接炮二退八打卒，再上帅速和。

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有道理,

作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-21 10:39

这样也犯规吧

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作者: 080123 时间: 2008-9-21 11:04
why？我们还是找不出黑赢的方法！！

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 13:02

也犯规，变个黑胜的：

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作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 14:17

QUOTE:

以下是引用语苛经历在2008-9-21 13:02:00的发言：

也犯规，变个黑胜的：

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红是否也可变一着?14回红炮走2平7,和

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-9-21 14:26:34编辑过]

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 15:54
嗯，有道理，还是和棋：
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作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 17:31

当黑象五进三时,红可兵8平7吃.黑炮七平六

红炮再走7平5吃~~和

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-21 18:19

QUOTE:

以下是引用语苛经历在2008-9-21 15:54:00的发言：
嗯，有道理，还是和棋：
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变个黑胜

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作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 18:25
这《七子联吟》的改局变化竟如此之多！已大大超过了原局！这是谁改的局？谁把四路兵挪到八路的？改的太好了！天宇浪人最喜欢用炮卒了，强烈推荐天宇浪人参研此局。

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 18:27
yjr123着法甚妙，待我再看看红能不能和。

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-21 18:46
好象没法变了。黑胜了。

作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 19:37

QUOTE:

以下是引用yjr123在2008-9-21 18:19:00的发言：

变个黑胜

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[此贴子已经被作者于2008-9-21 19:41:09编辑过]

作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 20:05

QUOTE:

以下是引用语苛经历在2008-9-21 18:27:00的发言：
yjr123着法甚妙，待我再看看红能不能和。

红能否早些炮平九呢?

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-21 21:31
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作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-21 21:57
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-22 07:20

黑胜

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-22 09:21

好象这样也可以被动求和:

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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2008-9-22 09:25
说明在形成30楼局面前黑应该选择卒4平5.30楼的和局就不存在.

作者: yjr123 时间: 2008-9-22 11:23
30楼直接退炮求和的方法在13楼就已经发现了

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2008-9-22 11:32

按当今棋规，恐怕许多古局都难成和。

作者: 语苛经历 时间: 2008-9-22 12:17
许多古局难成和主要不是当今棋规的问题，而是古局有的本身有漏洞。因为即便在古代，人们也不愿意“双方不变作和”的。本局黑胜，着法甚妙，比和棋精彩。只是红先黑胜不符惯例而已。但更宽广的想，先走难道就该不败吗？象棋既然是模拟战争的，而战争不见得先开火的就胜；更何况是“排局”呢？

作者: zxc001 时间: 2008-9-22 23:06

看来只能够黑胜了~~~

谢谢各位大师指教!

作者: 二炮弈仙 时间: 2008-11-19 17:36
这是在上海地区流传很广的单兵连营三兵连营还有双兵连营还有一种三兵连营是9 7兵后移两步跟前面的招法出入不大结论应该是靠棋规和棋主动权变着在黑方

作者: zhiqihuang 时间: 2008-11-20 10:37
1楼的单兵连营按现代棋规无法成和，6楼的三兵连营可以按现代棋规成和。这些都是前人研究得非常透彻的棋局了，多本江湖排局棋谱中都有介绍。
但是九。五位兵的三兵连营（又称“后兵连营”）以前的结论一直是黑胜，二炮弈仙棋友是否发现了新的变着？

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