江湖排局“小潼关”是黑胜还是和局？

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-20 13:37:42

最近整理收集的排局，发现如下这局小潼关，来源已经记不清了。
脱帽后我觉得黑方胜定。各位意见如何？
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667 · 发表于 2008-11-20 14:18:05

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewt ... F%E6%BD%BC%E5%85%B3

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-21 09:45:47

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语苛经历 · 发表于 2008-11-21 19:41:23

黑胜不了.

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-21 22:44:44

还有些变化
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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-22 16:01:11

最顽强的抵抗应该是这样吧。是否这样就和了？
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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-23 09:52:56

黑方走成低卒红方丢兵之后，黑方单士可和，双士是必胜。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-23 10:11:05

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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-23 13:28:12

恩，学习了。

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-11-23 13:42:35

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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-23 14:17:57

8楼的着法确实不成立，但7楼的诠正使得炮五平七一变也无法成和。现在小潼关是否能和又成了问题。
不知道作者本人是否有更加深入的研究。

古婺 · 发表于 2008-11-30 20:43:01

多年前拟的，不知道着法是否成立。

邢春波 · 发表于 2011-3-13 19:57:18

黑胜
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沉默 · 发表于 2011-3-20 18:57:46

我觉得黑的赢不了

沉默 · 发表于 2011-3-20 19:02:26

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邢春波 · 发表于 2011-3-20 19:59:11

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沉默 · 发表于 2011-5-5 23:03:29

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沉默 · 发表于 2011-5-5 23:04:11

此局黑的如何取胜呢？

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朱小坚的

黑方必胜吗？

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这样黑方似乎不易取胜。

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红长将

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