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标题: 这个局怎么解啊 [打印本页]

作者: afool 时间: 2009-5-20 08:37
标题: 这个局怎么解啊
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-20 10:46
标题: 确实难解
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作者: afool 时间: 2009-5-20 11:06
4. 车三退七车５平7 5. 车三退二卒６进１ 6. 帅四退一卒６进１ 7. 帅四平五这个变化红如何应付呢？

作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-20 12:53
第一着应炮三进一。

作者: zhiqihuang 时间: 2009-5-20 13:51
确实深奥，列几种黑的攻法。暂时没有时间摆棋。大家帮忙研究下。
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2009-5-20 15:44

变化复杂，列一。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2009-5-20 15:56
第4回合黑走弃车杀炮，然后双卒控制两个相眼，是一种变化。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-20 15:57
标题: 回6楼：黑有妙手。此局首着红应该炮三进一
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-20 16:01
标题: 这样的棋例该怎么判？
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2009-5-20 17:40
回8楼白老师，我在7楼有说明，当时正要去开会，未研究。

作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2009-5-20 17:57

确实，这样的变化对红不利。而且黑可以避免棋规纠缠。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-21 08:21
呵呵，整拧了——据自创者说，炮三进一？必败；车二进四！以后可以走成正和局。

作者: zhiqihuang 时间: 2009-5-21 11:43
标题: 回复 12# dave7788 的帖子
走车二进四红方走成一捉一杀，还算和局？炮三进一变化复杂，定论很难。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-21 16:35
标题: 可能是黑胜
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-21 18:13
标题: 回复 13# zhiqihuang 的帖子
自创者的意思是车二进四以后可以走成正和，但以上车二进四的走法，后面不对。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-21 20:43
标题: 呵呵
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2009-5-21 21:04
进炮再平四路,很妙.接下来,好象可以形成和棋.

作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-21 22:11
标题: 可是——
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-21 22:28
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-21 22:49
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-22 10:33
标题: 可能这样好一些
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作者: afool 时间: 2009-5-22 10:50
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-22 10:58
标题: 和
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作者: afool 时间: 2009-5-22 11:07
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作者: afool 时间: 2009-5-22 11:14
车一退五按照白老师的走法可和。哎，真够复杂的，大小变化加起来32开纸至少要写好几页呢

作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-22 11:17
很好的棋局！第11回合炮五进三是关键着。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-22 14:45
标题: 炮三进一较复杂，作者有没有说如何黑胜？
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作者: zhiqihuang 时间: 2009-5-24 01:58
标题: 回复 23# dave7788 的帖子
炮五进三绝妙！又学习了。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-25 11:00
标题: 这样稍顽强，也似黑胜：
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2009-5-25 13:55
作者已经赞同23楼的解法正确——11、炮五进三！士5进4！——和棋。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-25 14:31
标题: 回复 30# dave7788 的帖子
23楼正解。我是在研究炮三进一的走法，作者说这样黑胜，却没有贴出着法，欲穷其变还得慢慢研究 [ 本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2009-5-25 17:01 编辑 ]

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-26 10:38
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2009-5-26 10:43

很精彩的棋局，受益匪浅！

经过几天研究，首着炮三进一黑胜，车二进四可和。

afool 22楼21回合车七平四，再车四退一和。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2012-12-6 21:27
这一局原创江湖棋局作者是谁，广东象棋网的帖子多，连作者的网名也没查到。

作者: shpthg322 时间: 2012-12-8 10:11
32楼，17回合走漏了。卒6进1杀棋！呵呵

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