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标题: 棋艺2010年04期残局征答 [打印本页]

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-19 07:15
标题: 棋艺2010年04期残局征答
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作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-19 07:16
删除图片，呵呵

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作者: 古婺 时间: 2010-3-19 11:52
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-19 12:00
本局没有难度，只要稍有棋力都能够正确解答，但真正寄答案给作者的可能不多。

作者: 抱不平 时间: 2010-3-20 06:08
我已经够"狂"了.没想到还有人比我更狂.看了余老师的话,大部份排局名家都得改行了.预言的目的,原想提醒大家不要大意,否则会答错.没想到让大家误会了.看来方法不当.请大家谅解.尤其是请楼主多多谅解.

作者: 古婺 时间: 2010-3-20 06:45
李先生不必介意，每个人都有他自己的看法，我觉得此局短小精悍，确实也容易走错，特别第一步很容易想当然走前炮退一再平边，很适合喜欢下全局实战（我自己水平有限不太喜欢下全局）的朋友解拆练习，多练习这类题目，对实战水平提高是非常有益的；而且这样的题目也容易吸引更多的普通象棋朋友的参与，有些征答题目难度很大，变化复杂，某种程度是适合少数对排局比较有研究的朋友，但一般的爱好者就有可能没耐心去解答。呵呵，萝卜青菜，各有所爱。

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-20 07:13
[quote]回复 yjr123 我已经够"狂"了.没想到还有人比我更狂.看了余老师的话,大部份排局名家都得改行了.预言的目的 ...

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-20 07:16
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-20 08:35

回复 yjr123
我已经够"狂"了.没想到还有人比我更狂.看了余老师的话,大部份排局名家都得改行了.预言的目的 ...
抱不平发表于 2010-3-20 06:08

李先生不要介意，我没有其他意思，只是就棋论棋。

这类排局适合初学着，可以提高对象棋的兴趣，自然有它的价值。

对于大部分象棋爱好者来说，作为题目来解应该都可以得到正解，如果在实战中遇到，则大部分爱好者应该也可以取胜，虽然着法可能稍长。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-20 10:26
我也喜欢短小精悍之局，但着法要精妙，且走错后结局会不利。

如朱小坚的这局：

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作者: 歆滿樓主 时间: 2010-3-20 11:49
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作者: 笑傲桔枰 时间: 2010-3-20 11:51
11楼图式要高出很多了。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-20 13:24
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作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-20 21:09
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作者: 抱不平 时间: 2010-3-21 07:20
如此简单的棋局,而我又偏偏说大话,难免让人看了不舒服,对不住大家了.如果楼主能耐心等到活动结束后再贴上来出出我的洋相就非常感谢了.

作者: 古婺 时间: 2010-3-21 08:39

wolaikk 发表于 2010-3-20 21:09

回14楼，此局我记得是有问题的，出现红速胜，有待提高改进的：

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=9082

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-21 08:50

回复 wolaikk

如此简单的棋局,而我又偏偏说大话,难免让人看了不舒服,对不住大家了.如果楼主能耐心等到 ...
抱不平发表于 2010-3-21 07:20

不是出洋相，只是好奇，所以贴在这里了。若有得罪的地方请原谅了。

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-21 08:51

回14楼，此局我记得是有问题的，出现红速胜，有待提高改进的：
古婺发表于 2010-3-21 08:39

嗯，期待看到更多的双炮排局出现啊。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-21 10:35

回14楼，此局我记得是有问题的，出现红速胜，有待提高改进的：
古婺发表于 2010-3-21 08:39

看不出有速胜，应该是胜法不唯一吧。

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作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-21 10:47
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作者: 古婺 时间: 2010-3-21 12:42
19楼，可能我说的不清楚

，我的意思是我原来拟的（见20楼）本意是16回合胜，后来你们指出有上面的几种着法，都不超出我原来的16回合，所以我说原局有速胜问题，呵呵

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-21 21:33
本帖最后由 wolaikk 于 2010-3-21 22:32 编辑

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作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-21 23:05
本帖最后由 wolaikk 于 2010-3-21 23:51 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-22 11:50
23楼首着炮六退二可能有棋

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-22 21:07
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]作者拟局的本意3[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2005年10月[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam]
[DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam]
[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999993444319999999999819941405099999943990407239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]34360717312181622120040536326254321254421216232416764152764640414643413144423132424024254345050640431727433352415949273749483242334342524575[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_48_2]46474441324241404241434637274645273745463848464847484048[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_48_2]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-22 21:26
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999993444319999999999819941405099999943990407239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]作者拟局的本意3[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2005年10月[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]34360717312181622120040536462324594917274939273746482425484505064414[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_27_1]5949273720300616304016264948373848582636405025354565354565625241626445466434363734444656504041524445524143444152405052415060[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_27_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_48_2]46474441324241404241434637274645273745463848464847484048[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_48_2]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_3]36326254321254421216232416764152764640414643413144423132424024254345050640431727433352415949273749483242334342524575[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_3]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D25323%26pid%3D167926%26page%3D1%26extra%3D%23pid167926[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-22 22:02
本帖最后由 wolaikk 于 2010-3-22 22:07 编辑

[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999993444319999999999819941405099999943990407239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]作者拟局的本意3[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2005年10月[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]3436071731218173[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D25323%26rpid%3D167926%26fav%3Dyes%26ordertype%3D0%26page%3D1%23pid167926[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 高原红 时间: 2010-3-22 23:21
试解！
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999993444319999999999819941405099999943990407239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]作者拟局的本意2[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2005年10月[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]3436816236860717594917274939273786806270808170628171040531210515212023247161628161682425680815050848816248450506441462541410[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]343823243848816259492425493925354838352538882535888062708081706281616281312181602120071761676052677704057770526070756052757052607075[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_2]628359490717493917273130[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3]15167178232478383747380847370800[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_4]6838253538351525357581627578251578383747380847370800[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_4]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D25323%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-23 05:38
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]看来只有弃子乱战了[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2005年10月[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam]
[DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam]
[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999993444319999999999819941405099999943990407239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]3436816231214342364640304642[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-23 05:39
28楼帅不能进中的，黑方有炮控制的。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2010-3-23 11:48
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999993444319999999999819941405099999943990407239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]作者拟局的本意2[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2005年10月[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]343681623686071786806270808170828171172731210405212005157172434244431525726282616264232464442526431326361310[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]再炮五平一后进炮打马胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1]70628161628161711718717081604441[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D25323%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-23 19:33
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]古婺的金针度穴改局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam]
[DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam]
[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999991144319999999999629941405099999943990307239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]11012324010724250747030459490405493925354737354537874535878062708081706281710506312106162120434271616281616881626848424348383545380845350800[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1]060721200717716162816168816268383545380845350800[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_2]07087161628161678162671743421710[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3]7082817105157178434278383545384882633130[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_4]030407470405594924254939253547373545378745358780627080817062817105063121061621201606716162816168816268383545381845351810[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]07174414434801004808144462430008171808071828074728184743[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]很受 yjr123 的启发，试着改拟一下，看看能否成立？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

作者: wolaikk 时间: 2010-3-23 23:00
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]古婺的金针度穴改局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam]
[DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam]
[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999993444319999999999629941405099999943990307239999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]343823243888628388488362594924254939253548383545388845358880627080817062816162816171071731211727212003047178040578180515183827373835150535458162441462541410[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

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