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作者: dave7788 时间: 2010-9-8 11:06
标题: 乌龙蟠井
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999479959992599569946993165453316996099404102994299199999994838[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]乌龙蟠井（红先和）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]2009-12-19[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]小橘梅[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]46426042561619291626290926060929062629282686485859494260868838394939288865645848646388813141404133328151636251504544503032220224625260824443826443533031536331302221240263620224626164826151414052622442626142242120303820304030514148493949381861511810[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment62]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62][DhtmlXQ_comment0]《蕉竹斋》中的一局，原谱红先胜，《竹香斋》和《湖涯集》中的“乌龙掉尾”与本局棋图相比，仅是黑7路象在河口而已，实质相同，结论为和棋。各谱着法均有错，和局结论正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]41525616192916192928191002204222[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]以下红有两种走法：[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4][DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_5_2]1626290926060929060929280902405042444858594952410200505131415141000141400106584849594041334360420601414043424030423230400103[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_5_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]这是古谱走法，现代诠注本认为黑接走炮3平1可和，实际上是红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5][DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_3]1619292819100220250748585949405010205051314151412050584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_4]2676485859492826656426667678666847653848493958597870426070604150313040416061414233434252[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_32][DhtmlXQ_comment14]古谱此着均走炮3退2（如附图形势），红方能够取胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_5]8680282665642646476540506454584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_24] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_6]3141404186814140818860824544585949592888[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_24]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_24] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_7]625250303222304022324030322230402232403032223040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_40]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_40] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_8]4544515032314151444302246362608262615152[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_8] [/DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999479949992599869999993165453399994299404102999999269999995838[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]附图（红先胜）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]2009-12-19[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]小橘梅[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]65642646476538484939585986804260314140418081414081895949894946492547497964637971333240416362715162520224454460824443826443535181526264825352826462614140525164823231[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment31][DhtmlXQ_comment41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41][DhtmlXQ_comment0]主着法弈至第7回合时，黑象5退7正着，如误走炮3退2则形成如图局面，红胜方法如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]4264868858484959265633326482324241504252504188844152848252418242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_4_2]26288880415033323848493928388083[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_4_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_3]56518880515031414041808141403231[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_4]2666868866688880426064746866806041503130404160614142454438484939585944434252435352423343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]红胜（《蕉竹斋》第一局）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_23] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_8_5]405080605051314151416063584849593839634341313332313032313031433331413339[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_8_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_25]《蕉竹斋》第二局着法，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_6]6166[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]红亦胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_15] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]！《竹香斋》与《湖涯集》此着走车一退九，最后成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: dave7788 时间: 2010-9-8 21:17
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999479959992599539999993165459913994299404102999999199999264838[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]小乌龙（红先）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]2009-12-19[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]小橘梅[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5313261613161929162629092606092906262928268648585949282665642666868866688880426064746866808866688880686680886668888068668088666888806866[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment34]红方长捉，按国内现行棋规，红方不变作负。有的诠正本认为古例允许一子分捉两子，不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1]6454584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_2]4050806050513141514160614140616302206343403043333040335338484939686953636979634340504353504053584858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_3]45446646476540504454584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_4]31414041808866688881414081830224834324424313384849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_36] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_5]806041506080668631304041808141424544384849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_34] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_25_6]6066584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_25_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_27_7]806086464765384849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_27_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]《蕉竹斋》中的一局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]和（原谱着法）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_46] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: dave7788 时间: 2010-9-9 14:12
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999479959996599539999993125459913994299404102999999199999264838[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]少乌龙（红先）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]2009-12-19[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]小橘梅[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]531326161316192916262909260609290626292826764858594928262524266676786668787042606587686670786668787068667078666878706866[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment30]按现行棋规，红方长捉，不变作负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30][DhtmlXQ_comment0]《蕉竹斋》中的一局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1]584849596858706058503141404160614140616850586858485859580224[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]和（原谱着法）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40] [/DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999479959996599569999994525333199990299404142999999199999993848[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]乌龙摆尾（红先和）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]56161929162629192616192916262928267648585949282625242666767838484939666878704260658748383949384849395859707959497949484939490224454468613141404144436163[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1]1610022010192928191648585949384849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_2]1619292819100220101148585949405031415859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2686485859492826252426668688666888804260658738484939585980604150313040416061414233434252[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_4]42607678484959492878332378713141404123136042[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_11_5]7670485859494050[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_11_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6]2646472538484939585976704260707959497949464925470224454449794443797131414041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_15_7]7646584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_15_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_18] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_8]2656767858484959022478714150717256467252504152514264314146415150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_18_9]56587858485859580224314140414544[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_18_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_16_10]38484939566678715859314140307179[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_16_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_23] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_11]767042606587405070605051314151416066584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_11] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_12]5848495902247871415271704260658740503141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_13]02247871415071516636333242643222644222212402313040305150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_31] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_14]787148383949405071704260[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_14] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_24] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_15]65874838394958484959383978706860[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_15] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_16]68697060415033436989313040416061[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_31] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_17]68667060415031304041606141426166584849593839334342416661[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_17] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_37] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_18]415070745041744460423141404133320224445458484959383932314131543431413439[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_41] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_19]4050706050513141514160635848495968583332383932314131633331413339[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]“少乌龙”局有棋例纠纷。《百变象棋谱》、《韬略元机》、《心武残编》中的“乌龙摆尾”局（如图），与“少乌龙”相比，主要是多了红方六路后兵，其结果为正和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: zdongy 时间: 2010-9-24 23:21
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]乌龙蟠井（红先和）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2009-12-19[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]小橘梅[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5699259959994799994699313345659916990241409960994219993848999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]46426042561619291626290926060929062629282686485859494260868838394939288865645848646388813141404133328151636251504544503032220224625260824443826443533031536331302221240263620224626164826151414052622442626142242120303820304030514148493949381861511810[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_1]625250303222304022324030322230402232403032223040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_2]4544515032314151444302246362608262615152[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_3]8680282665642646476540506454584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_4]3141404186814140818860824544585949592888[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]282665642646476538484939585986804260314140418081414081895949894946492547497964637971333240416362715162520224454460824443826443535181526264825352826462614140525164823231[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_16_6]4264868858484959265633326482324241504252504188844152848252418242[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_16_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_22_7]56518880515031414041808141403231[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_22_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_18_8]26288880415033323848493928388083[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_18_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_16_9]2666868866688880426064746866806041503130404160614142454438484939585944434252435352423343[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_16_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_9_29_10]6166[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_29_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_9_22_11]405080605051314151416063584849593839634341313332313032313031433331413339[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_22_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_12]2676485859492826656426667678666847653848493958597870426070604150313040416061414233434252[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_13]1619292819100220250748585949405010205051314151412050584849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_13] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_14]41525616192916192928191002204222[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_5_15]1626290926060929060929280902405042444858594952410200505131415141000141400106584849594041334360420601414043424030423230400103[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_5_15] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]《蕉竹斋》中的一局，原谱红先胜，《竹香斋》和《湖涯集》中的“乌龙掉尾”与本局棋图相比，仅是黑7路象在河口而已，实质相同，结论为和棋。各谱着法均有错，和局结论正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment14]古谱此着均走炮3退2（如附图形势），红方能够取胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_comment62]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]！《竹香斋》与《湖涯集》此着走车一退九，最后成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_45]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_55]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]红胜（《蕉竹斋》第一局）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_29]红亦胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_39]《蕉竹斋》第二局着法，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_4]以下红有两种走法：[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_5]这是古谱走法，现代诠注本认为黑接走炮3平1可和，实际上是红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_35] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]小橘梅[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-17 22:15
炮3退2这路变化红胜感觉还是有点问题。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-17 22:24
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2018-10-17 22:26 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment5]正确.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]古谱走法，误作和局。实则红方能够取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]以下是我拆解的许多种着法，感觉黑方可和。||||若真能和，那么这着黑走其它招法的红胜结论也有待拆解（此着黑走其它没仔细拆解）[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]？||红兵直接失掉，红难胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_35]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_57]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_43]红胜定？黑炮退回去还来得及不？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_63]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_88]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_88]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_77]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_54]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_64]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_42]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_44]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_87]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_44]已和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]暂认为红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_16]也暂认为红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_14]古谱此着均走炮3退2，红方能够取胜！||||和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_32]
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作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-17 22:38
目前暂时还未拆解出红胜的走法。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2018-10-18 02:10
我有另類觀點

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黑棋應以速和為明智抉擇
即5回合續走炮3平1
(以後只走平炮就對了)
大陸規則長殺對長捉速和

呵呵呵呵呵

作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-10-18 13:56
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2018-10-18 14:11

chouzhouyu 发表于 2018-10-17 22:15
炮3退2这路变化红胜感觉还是有点问题。

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这样黑先上将，和棋。所以炮3退2仍是和棋。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-18 19:14

zhaodi 发表于 2018-10-18 14:11
这样黑先上将，和棋。所以炮3退2仍是和棋。

应该还是红胜。

黑和棋的应招是把红帅赶至四路，黑炮能走到6路线，这样红一只兵基本上废了。炮3平4的应招后续黑可走卒6平5，红帅平四。
黑走其它的变化，我未仔细拆解，但看了一下，发现黑卒4平5，把红帅赶至六路为多。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-18 19:16
红帅若平到六路，黑方守和的话黑炮要走到4路线，而且红方的一只兵要在黑方右侧才能守和。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-18 19:18

dave7788 发表于 2018-10-18 13:56

发的棋谱红河口象和红兵位置对换了，应该是百变象棋谱中的一局。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-18 19:19

聨吟客发表于 2018-10-18 02:10
我有另類觀點

此局紅主動

这个观点不错。其它黑应着要动尽脑细胞了。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-10-18 19:45
我说须改的变着就是《百变象棋谱》《韬略元机》中的“乌龙摆尾”。后来，《竹香斋》实际上是将棋图中红方河口相与兵对调，易名为“乌龙掉尾”。《蕉竹斋》又把《竹香斋》棋图中黑象动了一下，实质相同，改名“乌龙蟠井”。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-10-18 20:45
本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2018-10-19 08:05 编辑

“乌龙摆尾”在3楼下图。我的意思是古局诠正不仅深奥的变化有发掘的余地，小的变化也有没有诠好的地方。总体来看，诠注的比上世纪好得多。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-12-25 20:10
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-12-25 21:32
乌龙蟠井炮3平4的走法，是我以前没有看的变化

作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-3-8 02:10
黑方想和棋相对容易，《心武残编》里的“乌龙掉尾”可简单成和。

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