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标题: 《定心丸》---红先和 [打印本页]
作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-21 21:47
标题: 《定心丸》---红先和
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-21 21:51
此为旧局修正。此局断断续续研究了近一个月，头昏脑涨，也不知能否成立，请老师们帮忙看看，谢谢先~：）
作者: 凌云子    时间: 2011-10-21 22:09
红第19回合可以考虑兵八平七。
作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-22 13:25
[quote]红第19回合可以考虑兵八平七。 多谢朋友指正兵八平七确是好棋，可引起多路精彩变化，拆了半天，眼花缭乱，最后确认红胜。这样只好从第十回合起，以卒5平4作为主变，而卒2平3做为一个变招保留。 或者红黑翻转成如下棋势，不知是否可行？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2946999949999958302140992371423138999999509999992841626978685755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《定心丸》 周保柱拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]周保柱[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-22 13:41
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-23 08:52
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-23 09:13
16回合卒6平5好一些,是否能和 待研 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2946999949999958302140992371423138999999509999992841626978685755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《定心丸》 周保柱拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]周保柱[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]42416959495957584658685859495859495928292129383959586282584839294151505131415150415150517161515230338288484729273337273747375545233388853343453537478545435352426151423240303242[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1]716182884847294947374941232255562232565732425747374741424737424130107868102088896160505120298939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]黑胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_37_2]40508887373857475040878838394748404888483949[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_37_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_40_3]57474047[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_40_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4]554533838262836352426362424140707868707141406242403042452928484928384540[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_34_5]29257071414062424030422225284849[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_34_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6]555623335657334378684353524261516858534342525141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-23 09:32
紅似有勝望? [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2946999949999958302140992371423138999999509999992841626978685755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《定心丸》 周保柱拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]周保柱[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]424169594959575846586858594958594959282921293839595862825848392941515051314151504151505171615152303382884847292733372737473755452333888533434535374785454353524261517868474842324030324230103536101836464838[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1]716182884847294947374941232255562232565732425747374741424737424130107868102088896160505120298939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]黑胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_37_2]40508887373857475040878838394748404888483949[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_37_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_40_3]57474047[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_40_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4]554533838262836352426362424140707868707141406242403042452928484928384540[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_34_5]29257071414062424030422225284849[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_34_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6]555623335657334378684353524261516858534342525141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_7]4232403032424748786830103536101836464838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_46_8]3525300045755343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_46_8] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-23 09:34
喔,黑可這樣 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2946999949999958302140992371423138999999509999992841626978685755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《定心丸》 周保柱拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]周保柱[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]42416959495957584658685859495859495928292129383959586282584839294151505131415150415150517161515230338288484729273337273747375545233388853343453537478545435352426151786847486858[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1]716182884847294947374941232255562232565732425747374741424737424130107868102088896160505120298939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]黑胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_37_2]40508887373857475040878838394748404888483949[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_37_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_40_3]57474047[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_40_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4]554533838262836352426362424140707868707141406242403042452928484928384540[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_34_5]29257071414062424030422225284849[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_34_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6]555623335657334378684353524261516858534342525141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_7]4232403032424748786830103536101836464838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_9_46_8]3525300045755343[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_46_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_9]42324030324230103536101836464838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_9] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-23 09:54
還是很複雜,勝和難料 .......
作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-23 17:56
6楼结尾胜法精致，此招法我没有发现，谢谢陈先生指教~ 看来此局结论红胜的可能性较大，很可惜，我原意是想拟成和局的~
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-23 18:32
我也還不確定結果,大家再共同研究看看,
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-24 09:58
再研究了一下好像真的紅勝?但變化細微不知正確否?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]黑胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-24 10:09
喔,還不一定
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-24 10:24
仍紅 勝?
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-25 07:09
原局添 相看看
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-25 10:39
回复 16# 聨吟客

添相 增加了黑方取勝的難度, 但紅方是否能和仍很難說
作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-26 08:42
非常感谢陈先生的热心，你的意见很宝贵，对此局最终的结论有很多帮助，谢谢你！

也许是最后局面过于松散，实战性多了，趣味性就少了，两者不能兼顾，终是凡局。呵呵
作者: 凌云子    时间: 2011-10-26 11:52
[quote]多谢朋友指正兵八平七确是好棋，可引起多路精彩变化，拆了半天，眼花缭乱，最后确认红 ...
zbz719 发表于 2011-10-22 13:25

兵八平七变好像还是和局？
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-27 06:00
回复 16# 聨吟客

研究出一種和法 ,大家看看是否正確
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-29 10:45
本帖最后由 zbz719 于 2011-10-29 10:47 编辑

兵八平七变好像还是和局？
凌云子 发表于 2011-10-26 11:52 [/quote]


    兵八平七之后的变化繁复，有几路变化很微妙也很精彩，无奈棋力有限，终难寻正着。若朋友有发现奇招请相告一下，谢谢先~
作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-29 10:58
回复 20# 聨吟客


    谢谢陈先生相助，加相后基本可和，但好像会影响到前面一路变化的精彩程度，而且加相后的着法太过平淡，为和而和，和得不够巧。我个人的想法是在不加子的前提下，移动子力位置加以调整为好，也许这只是一个奢望~
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-29 11:44
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2011-10-29 11:48 编辑

回复 22# zbz719

我認為紅炮搶佔己方中路河口再搶佔己方底線   是很細微的,
除此之外好像難有謀和良策?
如果真是如此那就不能說平淡吧
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-29 12:03
回复 22# zbz719

是否想改這樣我隨手移卒,尚未研究
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2011-10-29 13:00
哇!  只好再改成這樣,不知成立否?
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2011-10-29 15:43
一步车6退1，胜负立见。谢谢余先生指教~

也谢谢陈先生，其实我个人很喜欢你6楼的胜法，我想以此做一新局，如能如愿再发上来向你请教~



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