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标题: 望梅止渴红先胜赵殿忠 [打印本页]

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-26 22:53
标题: 望梅止渴红先胜赵殿忠
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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-5-28 01:16
此局没人能够走赢，因为此局是和棋。如果有人不信，就请走出来让我看看。

作者: 大征西 时间: 2014-5-28 01:30
有趣！

曾有一同名局！后由棋友静观娱心改为和局！

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-5-28 07:32
解局思路猜想：先用炮拴链住黑车，再用帅拴链住黑卒，逼黑动将，红得车后过兵，再用帅兵左右夹击法，展开攻击。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-28 08:00

大征西发表于 2014-5-28 01:30
有趣！曾有一同名局！后由棋友静观娱心改为和局！

回复3楼，我只找到下面这样一局同名局。

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=29566

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-5-28 08:47
解局思路猜想：先用炮拴链住黑车，再用帅拴链住黑卒，逼黑动将，红得车后过兵，再用帅兵左右夹击法，展开攻 ...[/quote] 我原来也是和你一样的这想法，但又发现黑方可以立即弃车，用卒捉死红兵，和棋。 [[DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]望梅止渴红先胜赵殿忠[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999479937999999997699659999999950996099409999999999994399999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7670434447694445374740417050415150106082[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1] 必然。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment3] 为了用帅拴住黑卒，此步必走相，下一步再走帅五平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3] [DhtmlXQ_comment7] 必然。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7] [DhtmlXQ_comment10] 红兵必死，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 刚刚我又发现上面我走错了，红棋走了劣着。看来你的想法是对的。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-5-28 09:12
我原来也是和你一样的这想法，但又发现黑方可以立即弃车，用卒捉死红兵，和棋。 [ [/quote] 相五进七，可用炮逼黑卒下到兵行线，确保三兵的安全。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-5-28 10:48
我也解不出

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-28 11:59
7楼局面感觉敏锐！

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-5-28 12:17
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-5-28 12:37
我只能解到这，以下走不出红胜。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-5-28 12:39
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-28 13:12

yjr123 发表于 2014-5-28 12:39

回复12楼，快发现谜底了。打不打车主动权在红方！

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-5-28 14:49

zhaodi 发表于 2014-5-28 13:12
回复12楼，快发现谜底了。打不打车主动权在红方！

此时不打，以后也没有在保留高兵的情况下白吃车的机会吧。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-28 15:03
呵呵，有相不用高兵也可胜吧。前提是打死黑卒。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-5-28 16:26
无论红方高低兵，我都想不出打死黑卒的法子。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-5-28 18:27
第5回合不退相，改走帅五平四，避其锋芒，这样如何呢？

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-5-28 21:01
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-28 21:22
哈哈哈，第18回合？！

接近了谜底了。

明天上午揭晓答案。

我拟的也可能不对。因为题名为望梅止渴【词语解释】人想到可以吃梅子就会生出口水，因而解渴。后比喻愿望无法实现，便用空想来安慰自己或他人。

作者: 大征西 时间: 2014-5-28 21:36
哈哈哈，第18回合？！接近了谜底了。 [/quote] 不错！

明早拭目以待也！！！哈哈

作者: 平原一刀 时间: 2014-5-28 21:44
本局好象大海捞针

让人找不到北。18楼18回走红炮2平1等一手看看

作者: 大征西 时间: 2014-5-28 21:46
回 5 楼！

此同名局是在2011年夏天智弈论坛之江湖棋局板块由联吟客发表认为红胜，后由好友邢春波发出正解着法为和局！记得共33、34步吧

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-29 00:34
我的答案，请指正。

因研究拆解时没有很好的整理主变与支变的脉络，观看时可能有杂乱之感，请见谅。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]南朝宋~刘义庆《世说新语~假谲》：“魏武行役失汲道，军皆渴，乃令曰：‘前有大梅林，饶子，甘酸可以解渴。’士卒闻之，口皆出水，乘此得及前源。”||现比喻愿望无法实现，便用空想来安慰自己或他人。红方到底能否吃掉梅子（黑车）而又能取胜呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]未雨绸缪，一是为了平帅栓住5路黑卒，二是提防黑直接弃车，平卒威胁红兵，及早为红炮预留炮架。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]栓住黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]不为所动，进兵谋取更大利益。从棋理上讲，应该打掉车，但红兵过不去河无法取胜，所以死子不急吃。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]如平4，则帅五平六，栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]此形重要！[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]不得进兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]如平五，见支变，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]黑诸子被栓链。或进卒，或弃车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]变宫顶卒，必负。不再演变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]弃车，炮高兵相巧胜卒象。不再演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]等一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]打死卒，炮兵相必胜单象。红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]太早进兵，劣和。不演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]先退一步，看黑应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]不得冒进，如进兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]鉴于黑卒很机警，只在红兵线活动，红兵不能直接进兵，否则黑弃车后和棋，见第12回合兵六进一变。||红方在组型后，即退帅远离黑卒、飞相露出中路后，另谋途径，开展攻势。平七攻法见主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑只有3种着法，一、将4进1；二、车5平6；三、卒4进1；[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]此时进兵可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]以下打死黑卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]此局好几处有这种情况，先下兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]黑高卒无法消灭。和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]如改走卒4进1，则帅六退一，黑卒变低，同第6回合卒4进1变。红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]算准黑卒不敢吃相，因只要黑卒进到九宫顶线，红炮就可利用帅做炮架，打死黑卒，形成炮高兵必胜单象的定式。当然，此处红飞相保留，也可获胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]黑卒已成为低卒，红兵疾进到花心，炮吃掉黑车，再打死黑卒，即可红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]想蹩象眼，为时已晚。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]红兵丢掉后，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]因帅五退一可胜，不必再节外生枝，但退相也可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]引诱红打车。此局面弃车也是和棋。如进将弃车则负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]以下红徐图过兵，胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_32][DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39][DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32][DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]弃象也和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_38][DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]红无炮架，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_40][DhtmlXQ_move_11_32_18]36267050263650596082593982643231[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_32_18][DhtmlXQ_comment11_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_31][DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-29 08:32
这个形，是否容易走到？如果必然能走到，就可成为炮高兵相对高卒象的实用残局。可查阅PAI残局库，观看着法结论。

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-5-29 09:50
确实精彩，黑卒在5、6、7路活动会更微妙一些。

作者: 大征西 时间: 2014-5-29 11:35

大征西发表于 2014-5-28 21:46
回 5 楼！

此同名局是在2011年夏天智弈论坛之江湖棋局板块由联吟客发表认为红胜，后由好友邢春波发出 ...

就是此局！
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作者: 大征西 时间: 2014-5-29 11:41
有趣！

最后，吃得一干二净也！

值得细品之！！！

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]南朝宋~刘义庆《世说新语~假谲》：“魏武行役失汲道，军皆渴，乃令曰：‘前有大梅林，饶子，甘酸可以解渴。’士卒闻之，口皆出水，乘此得及前源。”||现比喻愿望无法实现，便用空想来安慰自己或他人。红方到底能否吃掉梅子（黑车）而又能取胜呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]未雨绸缪，一是为了平帅栓住5路黑卒，二是提防黑直接弃车，平卒威胁红兵，及早为红炮预留炮架。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]栓住黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]不为所动，进兵谋取更大利益。从棋理上讲，应该打掉车，但红兵过不去河无法取胜，所以死子不急吃。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]如平4，则帅五平六，栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]此形重要！[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]不得进兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]如平五，见支变，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]黑诸子被栓链。或进卒，或弃车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]变宫顶卒，必负。不再演变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]弃车，炮高兵相巧胜卒象。不再演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]等一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]打死卒，炮兵相必胜单象。红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]太早进兵，劣和。不演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]先退一步，看黑应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]不得冒进，如进兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]鉴于黑卒很机警，只在红兵线活动，红兵不能直接进兵，否则黑弃车后和棋，见第12回合兵六进一变。||红方在组型后，即退帅远离黑卒、飞相露出中路后，另谋途径，开展攻势。平七攻法见主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑只有3种着法，一、将4进1；二、车5平6；三、卒4进1；[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]此时进兵可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]以下打死黑卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]此局好几处有这种情况，先下兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]黑高卒无法消灭。和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]如改走卒4进1，则帅六退一，黑卒变低，同第6回合卒4进1变。红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]算准黑卒不敢吃相，因只要黑卒进到九宫顶线，红炮就可利用帅做炮架，打死黑卒，形成炮高兵必胜单象的定式。当然，此处红飞相保留，也可获胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]黑卒已成为低卒，红兵疾进到花心，炮吃掉黑车，再打死黑卒，即可红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]想蹩象眼，为时已晚。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]红兵丢掉后，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]因帅五退一可胜，不必再节外生枝，但退相也可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]引诱红打车。此局面弃车也是和棋。如进将弃车则负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]以下红徐图过兵，胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]弃象也和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]红无炮架，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-5-29 12:39

大征西发表于 2014-5-29 11:41
有趣！最后，吃得一干二净也！值得细品之！！！

主变第8回合，红走相九进七呢？这样一来第14回合可否不退帅？

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-5-29 20:28

zhaodi 发表于 2014-5-28 21:22
哈哈哈，第18回合？！

接近了谜底了。

精妙的等着，时间太少这个局面，没有多想。

作者: 大征西 时间: 2014-5-29 20:42

邢春波发表于 2014-5-29 20:28
精妙的等着，时间太少这个局面，没有多想。

很理解！同样是“望梅止渴”，另一局，原局就是红胜，改局才可成和！很有趣也！！！

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-29 21:09

杨启忠发表于 2014-5-29 12:39
主变第8回合，红走相九进七呢？这样一来第14回合可否不退帅？

回复28楼，如第8回合相九进七，我的拆解是：走到第14回合，因为单双步的关系，仍要走退帅，否则迟胜。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-5-30 07:22

zhaodi 发表于 2014-5-29 21:09
回复28楼，如第8回合相九进七，我的拆解是：走到第14回合，因为单双步的关系，仍要走退帅，否则迟胜。

我的意思是看看下面第17回合之变化，妥否？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment109]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment109]
[DhtmlXQ_comment135]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment135]
[DhtmlXQ_comment137]以下同主变红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment137]
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-5-30 07:35

杨启忠发表于 2014-5-30 07:22
我的意思是看看下面第17回合之变化，妥否？

29回合不妥，应先飞相

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-30 08:37

杨启忠发表于 2014-5-30 07:22
我的意思是看看下面第17回合之变化，妥否？

相九进七也是红胜无疑，但应该不会比落相胜的快。所以不必注释了。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-5-30 09:24
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]南朝宋~刘义庆《世说新语~假谲》：“魏武行役失汲道，军皆渴，乃令曰：‘前有大梅林，饶子，甘酸可以解渴。’士卒闻之，口皆出水，乘此得及前源。”||现比喻愿望无法实现，便用空想来安慰自己或他人。红方到底能否吃掉梅子（黑车）而又能取胜呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]未雨绸缪，一是为了平帅栓住5路黑卒，二是提防黑直接弃车，平卒威胁红兵，及早为红炮预留炮架。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]栓住黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]不为所动，进兵谋取更大利益。从棋理上讲，应该打掉车，但红兵过不去河无法取胜，所以死子不急吃。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]如平4，则帅五平六，栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]此形重要！[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]不得进兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]如平五，见支变，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_83]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]黑诸子被栓链。或进卒，或弃车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]变宫顶卒，必负。不再演变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]弃车，炮高兵相巧胜卒象。不再演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]等一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]打死卒，炮兵相必胜单象。红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]太早进兵，劣和。不演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]先退一步，看黑应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]不得冒进，如进兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]鉴于黑卒很机警，只在红兵线活动，红兵不能直接进兵，否则黑弃车后和棋，见第12回合兵六进一变。||红方在组型后，即退帅远离黑卒、飞相露出中路后，另谋途径，开展攻势。平七攻法见主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑只有3种着法，一、将4进1；二、车5平6；三、卒4进1；[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]此时进兵可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]以下打死黑卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]此局好几处有这种情况，先下兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]黑高卒无法消灭。和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]如改走卒4进1，则帅六退一，黑卒变低，同第6回合卒4进1变。红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]算准黑卒不敢吃相，因只要黑卒进到九宫顶线，红炮就可利用帅做炮架，打死黑卒，形成炮高兵必胜单象的定式。当然，此处红飞相保留，也可获胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]黑卒已成为低卒，红兵疾进到花心，炮吃掉黑车，再打死黑卒，即可红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]想蹩象眼，为时已晚。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]红兵丢掉后，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]因帅五退一可胜，不必再节外生枝，但退相也可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]引诱红打车。此局面弃车也是和棋。如进将弃车则负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]以下红徐图过兵，胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]弃象也和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]红无炮架，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_32_18]36267050263650596082593982643231[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_32_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]南朝宋~刘义庆《世说新语~假谲》：“魏武行役失汲道，军皆渴，乃令曰：‘前有大梅林，饶子，甘酸可以解渴。’士卒闻之，口皆出水，乘此得及前源。”||现比喻愿望无法实现，便用空想来安慰自己或他人。红方到底能否吃掉梅子（黑车）而又能取胜呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]未雨绸缪，一是为了平帅栓住5路黑卒，二是提防黑直接弃车，平卒威胁红兵，及早为红炮预留炮架。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]栓住黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]不为所动，进兵谋取更大利益。从棋理上讲，应该打掉车，但红兵过不去河无法取胜，所以死子不急吃。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]如平4，则帅五平六，栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_33]此形重要！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]不得进兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]如平五，见支变，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_83]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]黑诸子被栓链。或进卒，或弃车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]变宫顶卒，必负。不再演变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]弃车，炮高兵相巧胜卒象。不再演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]等一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_51]打死卒，炮兵相必胜单象。红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]太早进兵，劣和。不演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]先退一步，看黑应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]不得冒进，如进兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]鉴于黑卒很机警，只在红兵线活动，红兵不能直接进兵，否则黑弃车后和棋，见第12回合兵六进一变。||红方在组型后，即退帅远离黑卒、飞相露出中路后，另谋途径，开展攻势。平七攻法见主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑只有3种着法，一、将4进1；二、车5平6；三、卒4进1；[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]此时进兵可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]以下打死黑卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]此局好几处有这种情况，先下兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]黑高卒无法消灭。和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]如改走卒4进1，则帅六退一，黑卒变低，同第6回合卒4进1变。红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]算准黑卒不敢吃相，因只要黑卒进到九宫顶线，红炮就可利用帅做炮架，打死黑卒，形成炮高兵必胜单象的定式。当然，此处红飞相保留，也可获胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]黑卒已成为低卒，红兵疾进到花心，炮吃掉黑车，再打死黑卒，即可红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]想蹩象眼，为时已晚。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]红兵丢掉后，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]因帅五退一可胜，不必再节外生枝，但退相也可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]引诱红打车。此局面弃车也是和棋。如进将弃车则负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_16]404170504151501060821015454647485150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]以下红徐图过兵，胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_31_17]4241362670502616[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_31_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]弃象也和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]红无炮架，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_32_18]36267050263650596082593982643231[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_32_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_41]这样取胜较快[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_41]
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-5-30 15:47
回复35楼、36楼，谢谢余兄，已经更正。

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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]南朝宋~刘义庆《世说新语~假谲》：“魏武行役失汲道，军皆渴，乃令曰：‘前有大梅林，饶子，甘酸可以解渴。’士卒闻之，口皆出水，乘此得及前源。”||现比喻愿望无法实现，便用空想来安慰自己或他人。红方到底能否吃掉梅子（黑车）而又能取胜呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]未雨绸缪，一是为了平帅栓住5路黑卒，二是提防黑直接弃车，平卒威胁红兵，及早为红炮预留炮架。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]栓住黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]不为所动，进兵谋取更大利益。从棋理上讲，应该打掉车，但红兵过不去河无法取胜，所以死子不急吃。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]如平4，则帅五平六，栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]此形重要！[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]不得进兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]如平五，见支变，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]黑诸子被栓链。或进卒，或弃车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]变宫顶卒，必负。不再演变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]弃车，炮高兵相巧胜卒象。不再演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]等一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]打死卒，炮兵相必胜单象。红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]太早进兵，劣和。不演。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]先退一步，看黑应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]不得冒进，如进兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]鉴于黑卒很机警，只在红兵线活动，红兵不能直接进兵，否则黑弃车后和棋，见第12回合兵六进一变。||红方在组型后，即退帅远离黑卒、飞相露出中路后，另谋途径，开展攻势。平七攻法见主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑只有3种着法，一、将4进1；二、车5平6；三、卒4进1；[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]此时进兵可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]以下打死黑卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]此局好几处有这种情况，先下兵则和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]黑高卒无法消灭。和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]栓链。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]如改走卒4进1，则帅六退一，黑卒变低，同第6回合卒4进1变。红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]算准黑卒不敢吃相，因只要黑卒进到九宫顶线，红炮就可利用帅做炮架，打死黑卒，形成炮高兵必胜单象的定式。当然，此处红飞相保留，也可获胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]黑卒已成为低卒，红兵疾进到花心，炮吃掉黑车，再打死黑卒，即可红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]想蹩象眼，为时已晚。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]红兵丢掉后，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]因帅五退一可胜，不必再节外生枝，但退相也可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]引诱红打车。此局面弃车也是和棋。如进将弃车则负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]以下红徐图过兵，胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]弃象也和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]红无炮架，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment20_31]必须防守中相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_37]此时可进兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_43]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment69]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]同主变。红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2015-6-27 05:25

杨启忠发表于 2014-5-29 12:39
主变第8回合，红走相九进七呢？这样一来第14回合可否不退帅？

为了拴链六路，帅退底线是必然。
18步走相五进三应该能速胜一回合。

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