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标题: 象棋少子精妙殺法(趙殿忠先生編著)探討 [打印本页]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 00:03
标题: 象棋少子精妙殺法(趙殿忠先生編著)探討
我讀到14局時卡關了 , 請指導

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2015-7-28 06:52
进马锁住将，象早晚无处逃。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 10:35
嗯

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 12:28
第18局捕馬,紅炮繞一大圈才運到左側底部,在下悟性不佳一時看不懂其中奧妙

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 13:13
第19局有兩個地方請教

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 14:51
我想出來了

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 21:16
回頭看18局,誰幫我解釋此局走法?有些地方我看不明白

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 21:25
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-7-28 22:15

聨吟客发表于 2015-7-28 14:51
我想出來了

回复第8楼，陈兄所拟着法不简洁，还有速胜。

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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2015-7-28 22:34
捕马这局非常奥妙，是20局中最难的。前3回合非常关键，不能走错。后面倒还允许走缓着。第6回合将4退1也是正着，从变化来看，比士6进5稍好，步数相等。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-28 22:41
嗯,我讀完了第一章20局,收穫良多,現只剩18局有些許疑惑

感謝趙兄贈譜

後面兩章更複雜深奧, 我會繼續努力學習

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-7-28 22:51
感谢两位深入研究拙作，其实这些局在早在论坛贴出过。

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... tra=page%3D1&page=1

第18局，小橘梅兄（余卫东）指出：名为捕马实则控士。另外还有倒打黑卒之意。（如借黑将当炮架，倒打黑卒，岂不吃马哉），这局是公认的较难！

本书原稿是夹叙夹议的格式，但稍显啰嗦，再者不太符合棋书的出版格式，所以出版时将原来的一些夹叙夹议的注释说明就删去掉了，这样会使部分着法显得莫名其妙，但如果仔细研究琢磨，会有豁然开朗的感觉。

欢迎棋友对我的拙作进行探讨指正，在此帖跟帖即可。

本书已知错误：

1、潘煜春先生指出：P40第44局正文第2行，“勒兵”应为“勒马”；P41第45局正文第4行，“天雨”应为“大雨”。
2、P227图195-1，1路黑卒应为黑炮。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-29 10:48
有點看懂了 ,紅炮繞一大圈都是調整步數創造以後相回中調左的時機

有只可意會難以言傳的高深境界

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-29 11:39
殘局庫沒找到捕馬 , 可能需會員或我不會用,對於原譜走法已大致了解,但原譜沒有的6回合退將變化我還勘不破

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-7-29 12:40
本帖最后由一杯红酒于 2015-7-29 12:50 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_31]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-29 15:01
感謝紅酒兄

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-7-30 09:50
再补充点变化
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5]目的：防止黑方士5进6，以后红方想法控黑士不上顶，红炮左移达到相左移的目的，红即可获胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]相左移，红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-30 12:00
22局注2變著探討

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 第22局怒鞭都郵 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]原譜注2變著[/DhtmlXQ_comment12][DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20][DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]415031302002184802243040240243420224425251414050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1][DhtmlXQ_comment20]這樣是否增加紅取勝難度[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-7-30 15:22

聨吟客发表于 2015-7-30 12:00
22局注2變著探討

很简单。
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999999931999999011399999950303220994099999999999938[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第22局怒鞭都郵 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]原譜注2變著[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]415031302002184802243040240243420224425251414050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]這樣是否增加紅取勝難度[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_2]504031304130434252415958415058485041424140504849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]||||红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_28_3]41324232[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_28_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
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如再有其他讨论，可在如下帖子探讨。

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... 2021&extra=page%3D1

作者: 豪帅心服 时间: 2015-7-30 22:12
赵殿忠老师：您好！
您寄来的新书《象棋少子精妙杀法》一书已收到，非常感谢！
您是排局界的少壮派。是象棋网络方面我的老师。看了“序”中的二个排局，认为着法独特有创新，是一种快乐、享受。值得我学习。
我想邮寄一本书回赠给您，请您指正。书名：中国科学院老年象棋协会成立十周年论文选编。
范椿

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 00:00
24局的第6第14第16回合走士分別如何變化?這種殘局也許各位高手很容易, 但我很頭大,希望大家指導我

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999947372946999926999999999999999950424199994099999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第24局曹操獻刀 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment53]||紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]5241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]5041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_12]這樣又如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_12][DhtmlXQ_comment12]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment12][DhtmlXQ_comment28]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_3]5241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4]5041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]這樣又如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_5]5041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6]5241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]||這樣又如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32][DhtmlXQ_comment32]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D34704%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2015-7-31 00:42
本帖最后由高原红于 2015-7-31 00:45 编辑

这样可以吗？
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999947372946999926999999999999999950424199994099999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第24局曹操獻刀 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_53]||紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_53]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_12]這樣又如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_3]5241[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_4]5041[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]這樣又如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_32_5]5041[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_32_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_32_6]5241[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_32_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]||這樣又如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2015-7-31 00:52
本帖最后由高原红于 2015-7-31 00:54 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2015-7-31 00:00
24局的第6第14第16回合走士分別如何變化?這種殘局也許各位高手很容易, 但我很頭大,希望大家指導我

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959372522999918999999999999999950424199994099999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第24局曹操獻刀  [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959372522999918999999999999999941425299994099999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第24局曹操獻刀  [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 10:38
感謝王兄

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 12:25
26局請指導
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999938999999439999999999999999996050514164999999589999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第26局溫酒斬雄 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment27]紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_1]8264[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18][DhtmlXQ_comment18]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]6082384858686373688873748883747151527173525173834152837350414858515073705051707151507141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]原譜注2[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4][DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]||紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_4_3]5856[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_4_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D34704%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 12:50
我想出來了,這樣嗎

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 12:56
不大對

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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999938999999439999999999999999996050514164999999589999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第26局溫酒斬雄 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_1]4130797151527173525173535141535660425650[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]6082384858564858565458595455635341525355504155758260757151507141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]原譜注2[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]||紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_4_3]58686373688873748883747151527173525173834152837350414858515073705051707151507141[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_4_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]||冷著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_4]5251735341525356504156768260767151507141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_4][DhtmlXQ_comment24]黑可這樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D34704%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 12:58
不大對

作者: 高原红 时间: 2015-7-31 13:55
本帖最后由高原红于 2015-7-31 13:59 编辑

这样对否？
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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999938999999439999999999999999996050514164999999589999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 第26局溫酒斬雄 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_18_1]4130797151527173525173535141535660425650[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_18_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]6082384858564858565458595455635341525355504155758260757151507141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]原譜注2[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]||紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2015-7-31 15:11

高原红发表于 2015-7-31 13:55
这样对否？

后面和了，可参考智斗末尾的着法。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 16:01

★星海★ 发表于 2015-7-31 15:11
后面和了，可参考智斗末尾的着法。

那麼智斗是勝是和?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 16:06

高原红发表于 2015-7-31 13:55
这样对否？

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32樓再修正
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-7-31 20:56

聨吟客发表于 2015-7-31 17:47
32樓再修正

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 21:40
這樣嗎

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-7-31 22:01
再修飾一下,這樣不知是否雙方最精確走法

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-8-1 06:18
再補充一點變著

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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-8-1 09:14

聨吟客发表于 2015-7-31 12:25
26局請指導

此局的讨论源于第28楼的第9回合，黑改走象9进7 ，陈兄把此变的红走软了。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]原譜注2[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]||紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]||冷著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_4]5251735341525356504156768260767151507141[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]黑可這樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_5]797151527174608274735242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_21]？软和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]非正着，加之后面走软，和了，应径走进六，进八后要恢复到进六，徒增步数。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]||正着[/DhtmlXQ_comment19][DhtmlXQ_comment35]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
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如此看，第9回合还是应走车三平二为正着，红其它变要迟胜。

讨论一个棋局，首先看结论正确与否；再者看着法有无错误；第三看有无简洁着法；第四看主动变招是否达到前三点。劣中劣的变化一般不予考虑。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-8-1 10:34
感謝王兄趙兄

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-8-2 06:57
27局請指導
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 第27局三戰呂布 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_58_3]575949595141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_58_3][DhtmlXQ_comment58]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment58][DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]可考慮這樣遅負[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58][DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]紅也勝定但黑可拖延步數遅負[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60][DhtmlXQ_comment22]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment22][DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22][DhtmlXQ_comment4]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment4][DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-8-2 07:19
11回合的疑問我想出來了,2回合的還沒有
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[DhtmlXQ_comment61]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment61]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_58_3]575949595141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_58_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]可考慮這樣遅負[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]紅也勝定但黑可拖延步數遅負[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_4]524142635150344441326355[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_5]51526355[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_5][DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2015-8-2 14:39

聨吟客发表于 2015-8-2 07:19
11回合的疑問我想出來了,2回合的還沒有

速胜：
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[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_61]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_61]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_58_3]575949595141[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_58_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]可考慮這樣遅負[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]紅也勝定但黑可拖延步數遅負[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_22]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_4]524142635150344441326355[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_5]51526355[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
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作者: 豪帅心服 时间: 2015-8-2 22:12
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-8-3 11:50
感謝曾兄

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 第32局太平要術 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_60_3]0818[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_60_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60][DhtmlXQ_comment60]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment60][DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_30][DhtmlXQ_comment30]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment30][DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24][DhtmlXQ_comment24]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
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32局頗深澳有些地方請大家指導

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-8-5 14:53

聨吟客发表于 2015-8-3 11:50
感謝曾兄

32局頗深澳有些地方請大家指導

32局此局解法是有问题，按黑应招可以速胜，但黑是否有迟负之着，还再研究。
多谢陈兄指正！

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 第32局太平要術 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment85]||紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment85]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_60_3]0818[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_60_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]這樣如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_4]890978680908364647373828483930403343463637473646473728293948463637474030433368690809[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]应该可以速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27][DhtmlXQ_comment7]原着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment7][DhtmlXQ_comment4_7]新改着法，可速胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_7]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-8-7 09:17
嗯,32局複雜深奧再找時間研究,41局有趣也曲折深奧,我也需人指導

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-8-7 10:38

聨吟客发表于 2015-8-7 09:17
嗯,32局複雜深奧再找時間研究,41局有趣也曲折深奧,我也需人指導

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 第41局許田射鹿   [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment43]||紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]50515848515253725545726452516445[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-8-7 12:27
還有這樣請指導

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]如上将则卒被抽吃[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]控制黑将不能上来。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]被逼无奈，只能下卒，如将5平6，则马四进六锁定黑将，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-8-7 15:42

聨吟客发表于 2015-8-7 12:27
還有這樣請指導

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]這樣如何變化[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]||原走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]如上将则卒被抽吃[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]控制黑将不能上来。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]被逼无奈，只能下卒，如将5平6，则马四进六锁定黑将，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment18]還有這樣請指導[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]6进1相同[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]下步要锁士角，黑卒要丢。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
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