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标题: 孔明借箭改局及其它 [打印本页]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-13 11:24
标题: 孔明借箭改局及其它
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-7-18 01:13 编辑

紅炮一路黑勝, 二路如何?能和否?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-14 08:09
匆匆弄了幾變,不一定正確,還望各位同好斧正或補充

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[DhtmlXQ_title]孔明借箭改局－陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_28][DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_30]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment45]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_11]32413323223237324132[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_11][DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_43][DhtmlXQ_move_7_28_6]372723332737[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_28_6]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-15 10:13
猿猴摘果改局

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-15 16:17
先請教大家一個變化

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-16 09:55
紅娘脫衣改局

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-16 10:35
還不是很確定,呵呵,大家有什麼研究看法呢?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]可能敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]待續[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6]2322426022216261435330405343403043533040[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6][DhtmlXQ_comment5_39] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_39][DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]要看用什麼規則了[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_48][DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_3]26363332464858594849595836468767608267778260776760826777464777704041707141403242475758574942715142495758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_3]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-16 10:50
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]這個局面是否黑必勝\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]可能敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]待續[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_5]23224260222162614353304053434030435330405343403043533040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_5][DhtmlXQ_comment39]結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-7-16 13:24

聨吟客发表于 2016-7-16 10:35
還不是很確定,呵呵,大家有什麼研究看法呢?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]這個局面是否黑必勝\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3] 可能正著,容後補充 o[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]可能敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]待續[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6]2322426022216261435330405343403043533040[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_39] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]要看用什麼規則了[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-17 01:40
感謝瑞哥指正

這樣看看

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-7-17 09:06
老毛病了，公式化的改局，从不深入分析挖掘着法，其深度局限在作者的眼光棋之内，只要别人指出着法错误，即通过加减子平衡消除，出现新的错误，再反复用这样的手段修改，终于排成一局成立，把原来简单明快的精妙排局，改成拖泥带水的冗长之局。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_3] 可能正著,容後補充 o[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]可能敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]待續[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_39] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]要看用什麼規則了[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]
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楼上之最新改局也如此应，黑怎么办？

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-17 09:08
蛺蝶穿花改局

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-17 10:05
呵呵呵,瑞哥說得是,不過我還是有成功滿意的,也有比原局好的

改進延長變化與拖泥帶水也是一線之隔一體兩面 ,看用什麼角度看待,也許有些局面各人感覺不同,
例如紅娘脫衣改局談不上多深奧,但我認為卻更有趣,紅方中兵與底兵都能更充分利用,以前我還有把原局增1.9卒的,不像表面看來那麼輕鬆, 都比原局有改進之效

還有就是考慮到有的局擺攤容易被看過古譜的人破解, 所謂簡單精妙的局但不難記譜,所以要有一些改
局,很多江湖棋人與排局作者都在搞, 大家也都有成敗

至於失敗缺失部分,我盡量改善,我非聖賢 , 也不是什麼象棋大師,跟著自己趣味感覺方向進行,當然自我要求也應該,很感謝瑞哥意見,我會努力

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-17 10:06
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-7-17 11:27 编辑

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-7-17 11:16
我是看不惯你轻易否定的习惯，如杨老师最近的”二炮立威“局，我提出原着法的问题，照你的习惯是立即再改，但杨老师却是挖掘出新的着法，这样通过讨论，逐步完善，排局才有看点，着法才有深度，不会停留在眼光棋的深度。

如你最后的改局，是在没有分析透原着法的情况下随意改，弄得原本已经成和的局变成红胜。

最后强调一点，排局以着法为灵魂，轻易否定只能创作出眼光棋排局（无论原创还是改局）。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-7-17 11:24
本论坛几个排局高手如朱小坚、赵殿中、杨启忠等，他们的排局，即使这些局势被你在创作过程中摆到过，也轻易就否定了，所以不可能创作出精妙排局。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-17 11:50
我沒有對二炮立威局修改啊,也沒有否定上述幾位棋友的作品啊, 討論中大家都有錯誤或指正別人錯誤的時候,他們是精妙排局作者,我呢, 就當個趣味排局作者,投稿還可入選幾局,我就很滿足了

可以當國手的運動員與只可以當鄉村小鎮的運動員, 當然不同囉
可以考前五名的學生與只可以考十幾二十幾名的學生當然不同囉
原因可能有很多 ,有的人會進步,但有的人總是勉強不來的吧

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-17 12:30
我剛剛翻出百局象棋譜(實體書)找猿猴摘果局,,原來我以前有用鉛筆加註第2回合車一平三變化, 呵呵呵, 太久沒翻都忘記了,因為我用搜索東萍棋盤的走法, 裡面沒有這個變化, 就漏掉了, 呵呵,所以還是要拿實體書出來複習才好,瑞哥就不要再苛責小弟我吧

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-7-17 12:38
我不是说你改二炮立威局，举这个例子是让你向杨老师学习，多挖掘着法，不要轻易否定，哪怕不成立也要挖掘一些变化出来，这样再改局才会出精品。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-17 12:46
再查竹香齋的折柳章台局, 陸曙光詮注本也有2回合車一平三變化

呵呵呵

我先把原局再徹底複習再說吧

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-18 00:49
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-7-18 01:04 编辑

原創的暫且不提,  我也有很好的改局,  也有不斷苦心挖掘與詮正古今排局成功的, 並非瑞哥所說的那樣吧,

人非聖賢有盲點疏失難免, 猿猴摘果的研究複習與改局不妥善,  也不能否定我的一切努力,

我不是高手,所以失敗率可能比其他作者偏高, 這很合理,  我仍會按照自己的節奏走下去

另外,幫東萍棋庫平反一下,有的局有 2回合車一平三變化,只是我當時並沒有每一篇都看,以後類似的情況我會多看幾篇
也配合拿出實體書參照,以及重溫自己以前若有手寫註解的話

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-18 06:26
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-18 06:50
呵呵呵, 可能又有人有意見了? 不夠精妙?除非有指出錯誤我會非常感謝, 不然我很滿意這麼適合擺攤的局

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-7-18 08:09
你擺攤，我會在第5回合走炮一平二。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-18 08:19
晚點我再研究炮一平二

先吃早餐去了

作者: 林铁狼 时间: 2016-7-18 10:55
我看了几局，确实大有启益，创作或改编棋局不要只看前几步……

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-19 17:32
黑走馬還看不清

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-19 23:28
紅優,如刪除邊兵又成黑優,我再想想

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-20 00:02
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-7-20 00:06 编辑

呵呵呵,現在可以再改了嗎?時機適當嗎?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-20 08:13
也說一下,27 樓紅優,但是否必勝?也要花時間研究, 只是我現階段比較有興趣做黑稍優紅小心謀和的局, 先看看

28樓能否成立,再回頭繼續研究27樓 ,當然個人不足之處也需大家協助

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-24 10:15
呵呵呵,猿局沒改成, 卻創了下圖, 可謂史上解法最短江湖殘局? 麻雀雖小可是五臟俱全唷, 只是不知撞局機率是否很高?此圖可當基形, 以後再行加工改進

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-25 12:42
我覺得此圖應該會撞局,只因走法簡短所以沒有人把它收進棋譜中 , 古今棋人應該會有曾經排出此圖者

我正在研究再加工改造的可能性,真正擺攤的話,此局只可當作放水局讓顧客赢回一局之用, 呵呵呵,不然就得改進

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-27 07:45
這樣改進可否?局名也改, 呵呵呵

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-27 08:12
28 樓走法成立否?是否可以符合我的初衷呢?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-30 21:02
成立否?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-7-31 09:36
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-2 10:24
南轅北轍古局有九七或九九位邊兵,刪除邊兵研究黑好像也無便宜可佔,我尚未發現黑能取勝方法, 大家認為呢?只是拿掉邊兵也不敢說是我的改局,就不放我的名字了ㄝ呵呵呵....

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-2 10:59
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-8-2 11:28
这样改局摆摊不道德吧

作者: 魔帝大人 时间: 2016-8-2 16:55

yjr123 发表于 2016-8-2 11:28
这样改局摆摊不道德吧

哈哈，果然不道德，

好端端的要改成黑胜。

作者: 魔帝大人 时间: 2016-8-2 17:01
37楼第3回合黑改走车2平5杀，红顽强点应该帅五平四不吃马，但删掉边兵的话，最后还是黑胜。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-2 18:16
暈, 沒注意到用的是未經詮正的譜, 也沒多想, 呵呵呵.....

難怪怎麼覺得與我年輕時研究不太一樣, 我那時的研究不知註記在哪一本上

不過我可接受攤主擺黑勝局,只要紅黑任顧客選, 被破局認賠,童叟無欺, 呵呵呵....

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-2 18:24
真是不好意思
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-2 18:35
看來九路低兵比高兵好, 大家就笑笑帶過吧

我再看看有沒有其他改法的可能性

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-12 10:56
再挖掘變化

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-12 22:07
44樓6回合紅炮一平五應該也可以和, 黑方有沒有比較好的手順呢?

距離滿意還有些微差距, 呵呵呵

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-12 22:22
改一下紅炮位,會不會較滿意?

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-17 09:59
再調整兵卒位置, 似乎更滿意了

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-17 10:34
再次搜索赫然看見,有人把31樓加八路高兵成紅勝局, 呵呵呵 ..................

若能對別人有所啟發, 我有很快樂

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-18 01:14
自認為很滿意

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作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-8-24 11:34
本帖最后由 chessbug 于 2016-8-24 11:35 编辑

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-24 19:51
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[DhtmlXQ_title]和一小局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_2_12_3]384849394858181078795955585939387978555868763839[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_12_3][DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment27][DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23][DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_14_4]70745554[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_14_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]||紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_5]5955[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]這一變待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_9][DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]384849394858323368765554[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-24 20:00
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]8599999949999999863289214170999958474299509999999940993846999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]和一小局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||by chessbug[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]855558558656476856584070895946475955474849594858595870785857687657587655213178713236713141315040364642605857[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2]707832124647121847481848384849487858595558562131567631307678555878703040704041405040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_14_4]70745554[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_14_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]||紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_5]5955[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]這一變待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]384849394858323368765554[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_6]78743236384858577444361644431606[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_6][DhtmlXQ_comment27]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-8-24 20:05
研究的晚餐還沒吃,呵呵呵.........................晚點再來

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-8-24 21:49

聨吟客发表于 2016-8-24 20:05
研究的晚餐還沒吃,呵呵呵.........................晚點再來

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