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标题: 三气周瑜黑胜还是和？ [打印本页]

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2017-12-9 22:13
标题: 三气周瑜黑胜还是和？
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[DhtmlXQ_comment24]原谱着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]新招[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]新招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]下同主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_42]黑胜。原谱第二局着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_52]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_24]新变！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_41]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_57]不变作和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_50]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_51]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_50]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_57]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_51]亦可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_41]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_42]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_47]正！[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_51]这样黑不利！[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_51]
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变化还看不清楚。感觉可和。另论坛我用不了搜索功能，不知道其他人是否如此。不知道有没有发过此局的变化。

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2017-12-20 22:54
沈注：
此局在“百局象棋谱＂列第５局．原结论是和局．后在“渊深海阔象棋谱＂中对图谱进行了修改．在２０１５年由“成都时代出版社”出的“百局象棋谱”中白宏宽先生言道：“原谱和棋，现代排局家认为是黑胜局．”．而在1999年出的“江湖排局集成”中朱鹤洲与陆曙光棋友认为应是红先黑胜。
另有多本棋谱都以为是红先黑胜。这里就不一一例举了。.
而只有1987年由朱鹤洲蒋权裘望禹诠注的“竹香斋象戏谱”中此局才是和局。但是这与1999年的“江湖排局集成”形成了前后不一致的结果。不知1987年后出的棋书作者有否看到此“竹香斋象戏谱”？或还有其它棋谱还有类似结论是我没有看到。另外重版的“江湖排局集成”中是否对此局作了变动？
其实此局和局结论正确。
1987年的“竹香斋象戏谱”中的着法（来源是网上的动态棋谱，不知真假）：
1. 后车平四  马８进６ 2. 车一平七  卒２平３
  3. 车七退六  炮２平８ 4. 兵五平四  将６平５
  5. 炮一进七  炮８进９ 6. 车四退三  车１进２
  7. 兵四进一  将５平６ 8. 车四进五  将６平５
  9. 车七进九  象５退３ 10. 车四平九  象３进１
11. 炮一退六  炮８退３ 12. 后兵进一  炮８进３
13. 后兵进一  炮８平６ 14. 后兵平四  卒５平６
15. 兵四平五  卒１平２ 16. 炮一平五  将５平６
17. 兵五进一  象１退３ 18. 兵三进一  卒２平３
19. 帅六平五  卒３平４ 20. 炮五进一  卒４进１
21. 相五进七  卒４进１ 22. 相七退五  炮６平８
23. 兵五平四  卒４平５ 24. 炮五退三  卒６平５
25. 帅五进一  将６平５ 26. 兵三平四  炮８退９
27. 后兵平五  炮８平９ 28. 兵五平六
第１７回合黑改走象１进３更适合摆棋摊。

作者: llllssss 时间: 2017-12-21 09:54
应该是和棋
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-12-21 10:05
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2017-12-21 10:19 编辑

llllssss 发表于 2017-12-21 09:54
应该是和棋

看來此局紅和法還滿多種的,

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2017-12-21 17:59
最近打白宏宽周平所著的新书时，该书中的结论是黑胜。但感觉疑点很多，红方很多地方可以变招走和。

其它版本的百局象棋谱不在身边我还没有看。一楼贴中标注新招的是我的拆解，和诠注本的不一样。发现红方都可以走和。不知黑方在红方变招后有无再变招的地方可胜。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2017-12-21 20:05
应该是和棋。各种诠注本中的黑胜结论其后续走法红方都可变招走和。

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