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标题: 《轻舟已过万重山》 [打印本页]
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-26 02:17
标题: 《轻舟已过万重山》
摘自邓老师的排局选集
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-26 02:26
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-7-26 02:44 编辑

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-26 02:29
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-7-27 10:58 编辑

加红相
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-26 02:32
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-7-26 07:31 编辑

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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-26 10:49
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-7-26 15:35
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-26 10:49


作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-26 16:15
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-26 10:49

李老师辛苦！我用手机录的棋盘。您看二楼能否成立？
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-26 16:39
2楼不成立，着法就不写了
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-26 16:40
yjr123 发表于 2022-7-26 15:35

余老师您这周软能否分享下？
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-26 17:06
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-26 16:39
2楼不成立，着法就不写了

黑势不够强，又想保留相五进三。暂时没找到折中办法。
作者: 高原红    时间: 2022-7-27 05:09
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-27 06:09
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-7-27 16:00 编辑
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-26 16:39
2楼不成立，着法就不写了

这样看看
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-27 07:07
高原红 发表于 2022-7-27 05:09

王老师 主要是9路车会被吃。马四退二
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-27 10:12
湖艓 发表于 2022-7-27 06:09
这样看看

着法对的，昨天忘了拆正解
作者: 高原红    时间: 2022-7-27 10:38
本帖最后由 高原红 于 2022-7-27 10:42 编辑

是9路车被吃，可炮一进二胜
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-27 10:53
高原红 发表于 2022-7-27 10:38
是9路车被吃，可炮一进二胜

黑炮在一路，红重炮将，只得垫回。再吃车
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-27 10:54
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-27 10:12
着法对的，昨天忘了拆正解

没有底相有速胜。
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-27 16:02
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-7-28 00:55 编辑

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 00:53
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作者: 高原红    时间: 2022-7-28 01:16
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作者: 高原红    时间: 2022-7-28 10:05
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 10:20
高原红 发表于 2022-7-28 10:05

这个构型太棒啦！
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 18:07
高原红 发表于 2022-7-28 10:05

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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-28 19:22
湖艓 发表于 2022-7-28 18:07

我走了是97回合，不知道对否
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 19:32
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-28 19:22
我走了是97回合，不知道对否

厉害！看来还是杀力不足。请您校验25楼。还是底相局。
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 19:58
先弄个新思路，抛砖引玉
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-28 20:16
湖艓 发表于 2022-7-28 19:32
厉害！看来还是杀力不足。请您校验25楼。还是底相局。

25楼94回合，可能还有更简洁的，连杀局存在非连杀速胜的现象是存在的
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 20:28
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-28 20:16
25楼94回合，可能还有更简洁的，连杀局存在非连杀速胜的现象是存在的

李老师辛苦！加黑马呢？
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-28 20:43
我就不研究加马了，太累了
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 21:10
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-28 20:43
我就不研究加马了，太累了

这样？
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 21:12
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-28 20:43
我就不研究加马了，太累了

有空请您再看看，黑炮换马后就不会有相五进三出现了，29楼如不成立，好像暂时没什么思路了。
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-28 22:03
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-7-28 22:20 编辑
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-28 19:22
我走了是97回合，不知道对否

这样双卒多种杀法
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作者: 高原红    时间: 2022-7-29 05:40
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-29 09:02
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-29 09:56
湖艓 发表于 2022-7-29 09:02

这局貌似不成立
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-29 10:09
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-29 09:56
这局貌似不成立

怎么讲，车吃卒？
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-29 10:24
湖艓 发表于 2022-7-29 10:09
怎么讲，车吃卒？

我说的是36楼
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-29 10:28
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-29 10:24
我说的是36楼

请您列举下着法吧
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-29 10:47
湖艓 发表于 2022-7-29 10:28
请您列举下着法吧

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-29 10:53
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-29 10:47

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-29 11:57
高原红 发表于 2022-7-29 05:40

考虑满子局
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-30 08:37
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-30 11:46
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-7-30 13:07
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-7-30 13:26 编辑

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作者: 1963    时间: 2022-8-2 21:48
非常敬佩湖艓棋友的钻研精神！
作者: 1963    时间: 2022-8-2 21:50
本帖最后由 1963 于 2022-8-2 21:54 编辑

1999年初，我对借力排局产生了兴趣，先后创作了《配合默契》、《沉舟侧伴千帆过》、《夜静云帆月影低》、《飞翔》、《挺进》、《路漫漫》、《荡秋千》、《战鼓擂》、《补天浴日》、《轻舟已过万重山》、《拂堤杨柳醉春烟》。《战鼓擂》在投稿《百21》时，被审核出可红速胜，去年整理《30年选集》时，方子扬、王丰两位好友帮忙校核全部的棋局，发现《挺进》和《补天浴日》的着法有问题。
现在把这3局的原着法发出来，有兴趣的棋友研究一下，看看能不能把这3局棋救回来。

作者: 1963    时间: 2022-8-2 21:53
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[DhtmlXQ_comment171]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment171]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_151]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_151]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_151]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_151]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_155]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_155]
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作者: 1963    时间: 2022-8-2 21:58
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[DhtmlXQ_comment163]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment163]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_161]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_161]
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作者: 1963    时间: 2022-8-2 21:59
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_171]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_171]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-3 02:36
1963 发表于 2022-8-2 21:53

先发个简洁版
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-3 03:27
1963 发表于 2022-8-2 21:59

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-4 12:19
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2022-8-4 18:41 编辑
1963 发表于 2022-8-2 21:58

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-4 13:38
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-8-6 07:47
湖艓 发表于 2022-8-4 22:52

王老师，非连照速胜
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-8-6 12:11
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-8-6 13:00
56楼图3
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-6 13:34
xqahz010 发表于 2022-8-6 12:11
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-6 13:46
xqahz010 发表于 2022-8-6 13:00
56楼图3

对的。黑卒不能解炮六进二，如果是黑炮可以提前走炮4平3，再炮3退1.
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-6 13:51
xqahz010 发表于 2022-8-6 07:47
王老师，非连照速胜

只能这样了。辛苦李老师了！
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-8-6 14:36
湖艓 发表于 2022-8-6 13:34

这样可以坚持一会
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-8-6 14:46
湖艓 发表于 2022-8-6 13:51
只能这样了。辛苦李老师了！

着法成立，我的软件走了弯路101回合
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-8-7 14:24
11楼貌似50回合开始可非连杀速胜
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-7 14:44
xqahz010 发表于 2022-8-7 14:24
11楼貌似50回合开始可非连杀速胜

13楼有提出。42楼为啥会有盲点？？
作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-8-8 13:32
湖艓 发表于 2022-8-7 14:44
13楼有提出。42楼为啥会有盲点？？

不算盲点，用普通引擎算长连照局本来就算不清楚，选择错误正常。
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2022-8-13 15:52
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作者: 1963    时间: 2023-2-8 22:36
非常感谢湖艓棋友！我的电脑太破旧了，打开网页比蜗牛还慢，极少上网了，已把修改的棋局保存下来，慢慢学习。再次感谢湖艓棋友的辛勤付出。
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2023-2-8 22:46
1963 发表于 2023-2-8 22:36
非常感谢湖艓棋友！我的电脑太破旧了，打开网页比蜗牛还慢，极少上网了，已把修改的棋局保存下 ...

邓老师太客气了，本着对棋的痴迷我仅提出一点点改进的可能方向，尽量保全您的精彩构思。
作者: 1963    时间: 2023-2-8 23:15
湖艓 发表于 2023-2-8 22:46
邓老师太客气了，本着对棋的痴迷我仅提出一点点改进的可能方向，尽量保全您的精彩构思。

您的作局能力是顶尖的水平，是我学习的榜样。
作者: 湖艓    时间: 2023-2-8 23:49
1963 发表于 2023-2-8 23:15
您的作局能力是顶尖的水平，是我学习的榜样。

唉，这样讲的我无地自容了！我的棋力和阅历远远不够，只能从前辈的棋局中缓慢汲取营养！用您的局说，路漫漫。但我想我继续努力，不会停歇。谢谢邓老师的勉励！



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