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标题: 我也转贴一个双炮局（炮舞龙蛇） [打印本页]
作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-9 08:09
标题: 我也转贴一个双炮局（炮舞龙蛇）
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作者: 古婺    时间: 2003-10-9 10:02
是这样吗？

作者: 古婺    时间: 2003-10-9 10:07
另有一变：

作者: 667    时间: 2003-10-9 10:12
28着，将进１。
作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-9 10:34
第4着黑炮1退7
作者: Gene    时间: 2003-10-9 13:06
25着炮三退三可解决4楼的问题，5楼的问题可以这样解决 炮八平一，炮2平9，炮九平二，炮1平8，炮二平五，炮8平5，以下略
作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-9 13:46
实际上2楼17着炮五进二即胜，3楼15着改炮三进一取胜较快！ 看来原局需要修改，我想改成如下图，不知能否成立。

[此贴子已经被作者于2003-10-9 13:47:58编辑过]
作者: Gene    时间: 2003-10-10 12:41




作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-10 15:14
8楼第1局第11着炮一平五即胜，第8着黑改走炮9退4（如下图）怎么办呢？

[此贴子已经被作者于2003-10-10 16:13:31编辑过]
作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-10 15:56
仔细看了一下二楼的着法，似乎杀法不成立，不用修改棋图了，防守方法如下，请大家看看有无问题。

作者: 蛟川鱼    时间: 2003-10-11 20:19


双炮对单马实用残局
作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-11 20:42
本局正解如下：

作者: Gene    时间: 2003-10-13 09:07
9楼的，黑如炮9退4，则接走炮二平三，炮8平7，炮一平二，炮9平8，炮三平一
作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-13 17:37
黑如炮9退4，红如接走炮二平三，黑可以炮9平5。
作者: Gene    时间: 2003-10-14 09:31
接走炮三进七，炮5退2，炮一进八，以下黑如炮8退6，则炮三平五；如走他着则兵四平五
作者: yjr123    时间: 2003-10-14 09:41
看仔细了！

作者: Gene    时间: 2003-10-14 12:18
噢，考虑的确欠细了
作者: 667    时间: 2009-4-30 17:06
作者: dave7788    时间: 2009-5-1 08:35
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作者: 天宇浪人    时间: 2009-5-2 10:07
这局好像在《象棋排局百花谱》上也有载，依稀记得叫“钢铁炮兵”，作者李凤凯，请有此书的棋友帮着查一下吧。不知道《高雄棋园》上的这局是什么时候的，yjr兄能否也查一下，是不是黄百生也是转的？
作者: yjr123    时间: 2009-5-3 22:34
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2009-5-3 23:05

应该是李凤凯的作品，《百花齐放象棋谱》上的局名就叫“炮舞龙蛇”。

 

我最初是在潘煜春的《象棋精妙排局选》中看到的，上面写的是台湾黄百生编辑 选自《高雄棋园》第6期。

 

现在重新审视本局，发现有多种胜法，不够完美。

[ 本帖最后由 yjr123 于 2009-5-3 23:12 编辑 ]
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2009-5-6 15:04
很美了
作者: dave7788    时间: 2009-5-8 21:22
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作者: wolaikk    时间: 2009-5-8 22:50
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作者: wolaikk    时间: 2009-5-8 23:06
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2009-5-10 09:39

本局最快杀法和最强应手还真不好找。

 

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作者: wolaikk    时间: 2009-5-10 09:59
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2009-5-10 10:15

 

 

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[ 本帖最后由 yjr123 于 2009-5-10 10:20 编辑 ]
作者: yjr123    时间: 2009-5-10 10:29
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作者: dave7788    时间: 2009-5-10 10:35
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作者: dave7788    时间: 2009-5-10 10:42
黑炮7退1，红炮三进一！制作贴出后看到yjr123已经快一步发出了
作者: dave7788    时间: 2009-5-10 10:48
标题: 回28楼——红接走炮三进二是11回合胜
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作者: wolaikk    时间: 2009-5-11 22:52
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2009-5-12 17:19
第3回合红方炮三退一和炮二退一都是11回合胜吧
作者: wolaikk    时间: 2009-5-12 18:05
对头，看来有6种变化都是等价的，都属于最佳着法。



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