《炮兵残局探秘》部分棋局再讨论

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第44页图一，首先将此局名称改为“义无反顾”（暂名），因书中第161页已经收录了古婺兄的“虎落平阳”局，为避免重名，所以改了一下。
另外主要是图式改成下图，我觉得这样就有一段逼黑高卒走低的过程（否则红得车后，炮低兵不能胜高卒），然后红左兵才能穿宫：
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]红胜定。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51]红胜定。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
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杨启忠 发表于 2016-3-8 16:04

杨兄，第3回合黑可炮打仕。
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确实，在红大堂设黑炮是一个新思路，邢老师拟的第二局，我的着法是这样的：
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没想到这局“雷池莫越”能引起大家这么大的兴趣，再次感谢大家的热情参与！

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插一贴
第146页“相煎何急”局，改成下图，减少1子，增加1个回合：
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今日偶然发现第161页古婺兄的“虎落平阳”局和28页图二可以嫁接，因觉得比较有趣，所以特贴出来，呵呵。当然，嫁接后的棋图就显得“枝繁叶茂”了些（子力较多）：
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帖子再顶起来，欢迎大家指正！

“三仙炼丹”局我觉得可以再添一枚黑卒：

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[DhtmlXQ_comment26]粗看黑若改走卒8平7的话，红就恰好差一步，其实不然……||[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73]红利用黑底线的弱点，反而速胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment73]
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聨吟客 发表于 2016-4-25 15:48
105樓黑可和

对，黑9路卒若不在原味的话，是和棋。

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“锁双驹”原来在另外的一个帖子中讨论（http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=35226&extra=），现一并放在此贴下。
我觉得“锁双驹”局红方的右相是不需要的，故删去，这样黑2路可再补上一枚黑卒。另外，我觉得设一枚红兵比设两枚红兵要好，综合见下图：
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第155页“运筹帷幄”局改成如下图式，减少1子，因我觉得原局红相、黑卒都没有走动，仅仅是为了后面阻止红炮平六闷杀黑将，此两子效率实在不高。原主变着法现含在下图的变招中：
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第141页“左右扬镳”局原图着是这样的：
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第14回合红可走炮五进一保留红炮（虽然这样走缓胜），于是我将此局再改拟成下图，使得红方必须这样走，同时起始又增加了一些回合，但稍显遗憾的是没有了原来诱捕黑7路卒的较精彩的过程。
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以下这一局当时在正式出版前被我抽掉了，现在改成下图形式，请大家看看有无问题（原来叫“二擒孟获”）：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment35]红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]巧杀，红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67]提早一回合进入主变。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment67]
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聨吟客 发表于 2016-4-28 10:56

红可接走炮八平一。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]巧杀，红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_19]提早一回合进入主变。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_19]
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天宇浪人

嗯，余老师所拟的这一路着法稍简洁，看来还是得叫“二擒孟获”，呵呵。

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第165页“三老让贤”局改成如下形式可再增加1回合，同时将黑炮挪到中路，这样显得更对称、美观一些。
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另外，此局蒋晓春老师在他的博客上介绍时（博客上当时局名叫“海底遨游”，实际是同一局），有网友留言说红即使只有一相也能胜，但没有指出具体着法。我觉得红单相是无法取胜的，还请大家看一下。

天宇浪人

第156页“羊肠九曲”局改成如下形式，这样红三兵成一线，黑三卒均在原位，显得更自然、美观，另外红方走羊肠九曲道的路也更长一些。
暂不贴着法，还请棋友们解解看，顺祝五一节日快乐！
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大家再想想看：）

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第九回合红走炮八进三胜不了：
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祝大家节日快乐！
五一可能在外，若回复晚了，还请见谅！

天宇浪人

聨吟客 发表于 2016-4-29 21:36
解開了

128楼红第11回合底兵往左移动时，黑应飞高象。

天宇浪人

魔帝大人 发表于 2016-4-29 22:25
看俺的。

这个解法是我没有想到的，红这样走，黑确实难应。谢谢指出！

我原本的构思是这样的：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment89]红速胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment89]
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如何修改才能达成这一构思呢？

天宇浪人

嗯，谢谢杨老师参与讨论。
是否可以索性把红帅置于原位？如下图（我一开始便是这么布子的，后来为了突出黑恰好差一步来不及杀红棋，又把红帅抬高了，结果出现了速胜着法）：
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聨吟客 发表于 2016-5-3 14:36
飛象沒有比較好吧?

嗯，陈兄所言极是！
这局的修改有点头痛，呵呵

天宇浪人

插一局。
110楼下图如果加一枚黑底卒，可以再增加5个回合，但是不是有点画蛇添足？
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第18页“曲线擒敌”局改成如下图式：
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这局同杨启忠老师的“千里逆袭”局在战略上有点类似，就是红马必须在黑方炮火的控制下想办法绕至右边做杀取胜。

有两点想说明一下：
1.我现把红左兵放在了原位，主要是为了全书的统一，我曾经认为，有些情况下，红兵从原位启动的一些着法没有什么技术性，但有些排局（如本书最后一局“精卫填海”），红兵排在原位倒有些意思。关于这一点有点纠结。
2.与原局相比，现在图式显得更整齐美观一些，且比原局又减少了1子（红仕），但我总觉得本局布子还是太多，能否再精简一些呢？我苦思不得修改方案。（其实如果没有黑炮，红马也必须按照这条线路绕至右边，但关键就在于如果没有黑炮，红兵在走到黑4路高士位置时，运用等着就可以伺机兵六平五杀了）

还请棋友们探讨一下。

天宇浪人

是的，第回合黑象确实不应该落在中路，而是应该落在边路，谢谢指出！

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第148页“步调井然”局在这个帖子的第13楼有过一个改局，但前两天我觉得是不是改成下图形式更好（大体就是把原局的七路底相移至高位），增加了一些着法，另外图式更美观一些。
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