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[江湖局研究] 快来参与隔河救主的一路新变化研究

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1#
发表于 2014-9-18 16:38:10 | 显示全部楼层
zhiqihuang 发表于 2009-1-24 11:57
进兵变化比较复杂的变化是这样:

接走第11回合 红是应该 车二退一?还是 炮三退三?
2#
发表于 2014-9-18 16:54:34 | 显示全部楼层
sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-18 16:49
欢迎您的光临!!
车二退一

车二退一  红胜 黑胜
3#
发表于 2014-9-18 21:22:26 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-18 20:48

你又在灌水了

其实红进兵此变 可以更快成和

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4#
发表于 2014-9-18 21:26:10 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-18 21:25
我是走錯不是灌水, 呵呵呵

反正我不信
5#
发表于 2014-9-18 21:29:40 | 显示全部楼层
就是不知道黑动将算不算长杀 犯不犯规
6#
发表于 2014-9-18 21:35:04 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-18 21:30

红方还是抽不到车

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7#
发表于 2014-9-18 21:37:57 | 显示全部楼层
可以和净

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8#
发表于 2014-9-18 21:44:26 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-18 21:42
嗯  ,11回合進卒會如何

进卒或平卒 都是黑方被动 求和不易 红方主动
9#
发表于 2014-9-18 22:01:39 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-18 21:54

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10#
发表于 2014-9-18 22:32:38 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-18 22:14
感覺還很複雜,11回合卒7平6可能比進1好一點,有時間再弄

先 卒7进1再卒7平6 和 先卒7平6再卒6进1  这里没什么区别
11#
发表于 2014-9-18 23:12:07 | 显示全部楼层
象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-18 22:48
怎么困难?


这样呢

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12#
发表于 2014-9-19 12:26:25 | 显示全部楼层
象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-18 23:21
15回合车4进2能和

黑第11回合选择卒7平6或卒7进被红炮三平六解脱后,黑方高将不安车卒受到红炮的影响步伐缓慢且和黑炮都受到红车兵的制约。红炮可回家防守又可限制黑方车兵进攻速度而红车又灵活可以借助兵的优势司机进攻,黑方既不能以攻为守又不能死守成和这样的局面越往后磨黑方越难受。目前我还是没找到黑方可以很好的谋和途径


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13#
发表于 2014-9-19 13:02:54 | 显示全部楼层
zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-19 12:55

赵老师发的什么 没有看见啊
14#
发表于 2014-9-19 13:21:36 | 显示全部楼层
象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-19 13:19
最简单的,退车拦跑。车不能离线,黑方判闲,速和。

你这不犯捉吗
15#
发表于 2014-9-19 13:31:05 | 显示全部楼层
象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-19 13:24
24.3  捉
凡走子后,所走动子能直接吃子、与其他子联合吃子、从下一着开始运用连续“将军”得子、抽吃子、 ...

     这个
16#
发表于 2014-9-19 13:43:49 | 显示全部楼层
zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-19 12:55
黑可主动和棋


赵老师说的是第10回合黑开始变招 我和法官研究的是第11回合以后的局面
17#
发表于 2014-9-19 13:49:52 | 显示全部楼层
象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-19 13:46
上面两种走法都是简单和,再加上原来弃炮的走法,这个新变黑方谋和很容易。


这变黑谋和是容易了,可反倒使红方主动了。从江湖残局的角度讲 失去了不少战斗力
18#
发表于 2014-9-19 14:04:22 | 显示全部楼层
象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-19 13:55
你不觉得这局棋红方本来就主动。

红不先走后兵进一的变化 黑方应招还是挺宽松的 没有后兵进一 这么吃紧需要迅速成和
19#
发表于 2014-9-19 15:51:43 | 显示全部楼层
象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-19 14:08
这个新变有两种方法速和。
原谱你宽松一个看看?连速和都走不出。

我就只记得还是和局了
20#
发表于 2014-9-19 16:51:36 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-19 07:26
又幫樓主再改局,  下圖走法與結果如何呢

先试试

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21#
发表于 2014-9-20 00:10:16 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-19 20:23
還很難說

可能这样奥

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22#
发表于 2014-9-20 00:27:11 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-20 00:20

凌晨了 你也早点休息吧 明天再玩 身体要紧 早安

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