江湖排局高手请进！

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江湖排局高手请进！ 有一个素材困惑我20年，脱帽着法很是新颖，我多么想把它改为红先和啊！至于改了多少稿，至少在20局以上，但没有达到不改变黑马位置能够成和的目的。 我曾改过一则去掉黑马的，不过太摆不上桌面啦！ 下面我把以清盘摆棋为生的老朋友提供给我的素材贴在下面，渴望大家参与。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6199999959999970518060996362817199999999405299789999999999684857[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] 下面是我在豫东棋人的贴子里找到的我的改局，曾发在早期象棋报（有可能是中缝，记忆模糊啦）上。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6199659959999970516080990199711099999999405299999999004857996899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《釜底抽薪》红先和 （时鑫拟局）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5150405061515051604051414048575859495848493968588081414281835859834300707170524101114252[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment22]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment22] [/DhtmlXQ] http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... =1&extra=#pid251999

象棋法官

第一个棋图着法远没这么简单，双方都有几个大子，变化很复杂，和局成立吗？ 我随便走了一下，留着以后研究： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9962999949999999996166104171999901279999509999823460775899999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]610182610100343062547747665661530030606554465334462765454939474130314142563650513121514121244575242542727161344225354254354572323949757936563282615141424939828939387978383754755646425245557877273575675557775746568987374767754757584835547556547587847556525157474838[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

sdndsx

第一个棋图着法远没这么简单，双方都有几个大子，变化很复杂，和局成立吗？[/quote] 法官好！我是菜鸟级，第一个棋图我是图省事，在别人的棋图上复制过来的，结果把原图复制过来了，所以我立即改正了棋图。

象棋法官

法官好！我是菜鸟级，第一个棋图我是图省事，在别人的棋图上复制过来的，结果把原图复制过来了，所以我立 ...[/quote] 现在这局有人前不久贴过，找找看

sdndsx

现在这局有人前不久贴过，找找看 [/quote] 法官先生您好！我也曾发在大师网，这个帖子比我的改局要晚了好多年呢？刚才我也找过，大师网没有设置我的帖子按钮。 我可以确定，时间比我晚。大家找找看。大师网的网名与华工相同，找到后发个链接过来。先行谢过！

菜鸟来玩

第一个棋图着法远没这么简单，双方都有几个大子，变化很复杂，和局成立吗？ 我随便走了一下，留着以后研究 ...[/quote] 红先黑胜，第10回合黑应走马4进3而不是将6进1

sdndsx

哈哈！又找到一局大师网更早的。贴过来吧 sdndsx发表于2007-11-16 9:34:00 编辑 到底部 回复 [关闭] http://www.zgxqds.com/zixun_info.asp?id=5892 奇妙排局谁能解 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570879959992599616080627199999999786499409982999977994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫 草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result][DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] 后来我又反复调整红相的位置，总不成功。

魔帝大人

好像黑胜的： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570879959992599616080627199999999786499409982999977994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫 草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]555040506151505160405141404868585949584849395758[/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment12]||伏卒5进1连杀手段，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12] [/DhtmlXQ]

sdndsx

好像黑胜的：[/quote] 谢谢先生！其实我的渴盼是能看到新作。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570879959992599616080627199999999786499409982999977994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫 草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]555040506151505160407770[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

sdndsx

再提供一个思路。这个黑炮是用来消除红马的。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570659959992599616080627199991099780299409982999900994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫 草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

一杯红酒

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一杯红酒

      全线突击，揭帽后，局面复杂，不知道拆得对不对，局有没有问题，能不能正和，还请大家拆解指正！
      帽子搞完，调试和谱，剩下的就是时间问题了，希望还是搞个双方机会相当的正和局！

sdndsx

一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-27 13:25

谢谢您！您是第一位在改拟局里还保留黑方89位马的。我为您点赞！

这个江湖排局素材，我不敢说是多么高级，但我敢说脱帽着法是新颖的，因为之前我没见到过。

为什么困惑了我这么多年？

因为我理想中的成和局面，既想保留黑方89位马，又想保留新颖的脱帽着法（用红炮打掉黑宫心卒）和陷阱。

于是，我就开始了改拟成和的苦旅，结果是一无所获。在改拟过程中我发现：1楼的棋图去掉黑士，四路红车摆在高位，并不影响脱帽和陷阱，反而，使红方入套的可能性明显增大。难就难在总是找不到和棋的局面。

sdndsx

以10楼的草稿为例，说明一下脱帽与陷阱。

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sdndsx

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[DhtmlXQ_title]脱帽与陷阱02[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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sdndsx

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[DhtmlXQ_title]脱帽与陷阱03[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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sdndsx

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[DhtmlXQ_title]脱帽与陷阱04[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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sdndsx

豫东棋人老朋友请进。您在江湖排局的研究方面，贡献很大。我很是敬佩！相信您会有新的见解。谢谢您！

sdndsx

聨吟客 发表于 2015-4-3 01:38
1樓第1圖黑勝

菜鸟来玩

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sdndsx

快乐每一日

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试改一局，着法未必正确。

sdndsx

谢谢各位捧场！

阶段性小结（ 2015-3-27 13:25:40 ——2015-04-04 19:41）：
这一阶段朋友们为了这局棋花费了不少精力。谢谢大家！

1 首先，一杯红酒先生首次贴出了保留黑马的大作——全线突击。
2 接着，联吟客先生贴出了大作——悬崖勒马及其草稿诠正。
3 菜鸟来玩先生贴出了此局图着的非常精彩帖子。
4 快乐每一日先生贴出了保留黑马的大作（提名“乱改”——真是太客气了）。

恳请各位朋友继续加油！大作频出！