新月挂印（江湖排局）探讨

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 09:39:16

我现在正在拜读黄政老师的大作《江湖清盘棋秘谱》，P16——20. P17的这个局面，勾起我的旧时记忆。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957994799899979456463624199999999309999999917609999482755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]新月挂印[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]413130318981313079596050815150405955404751111707111030311000071700074746071727175747[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] 这局棋的结论是红胜定，是正确的。之所以我给这局起名为：新月挂印，是因为红方五个兵组成了一个新月形（新月——D形，残月——C形）。

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 09:52:29

各位朋友：关于新月挂印的诠正，有不少是将一个红兵移位或删除。本帖是想把黑方增加一子的情况综合汇总，目的在于通过黑方添加一子，能不能成和。请大家踊跃跟帖。谢谢！

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 09:57:42

曾记得早期的《棋友》（也可能是《棋海新友》，记忆模糊了），刊出了一局“童子拜观音”，着法为红先和，后来有资料诠正：和不了。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957994799899979646362454199990299309999999917602748559999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-5-27 21:20:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-5-27 21:20:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]将军挂印添象局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4131303179596050625255456353454689813130814146474147508059098089524289294232273709062939064639324648374757583238484917185859474849193837534318161939304064631656[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1]898131307959605081515040514155654143404243426566[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]52[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]159[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]6147220[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]ashleyspears[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]ashleyspears[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_comment3]如按无象局走车一进八，黑速胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]进炮落底是获胜的关键[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment40]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment40] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14] [/DhtmlXQ]

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 10:01:38

现在，我研究此局时又有一些思路，先贴出一个局面，请大家探讨。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957994799899979456463624199999999309999999917609907482755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]新月挂印（诠正探讨01）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

667 · 发表于 2015-4-30 10:14:04

时鑫老师，有个棋谱搜索方法，操作如下：
方法一：点楼上动态棋盘（如何一个有网的东萍棋盘皆可）的右下角的“棋谱搜索”，在出来的右半部，找到“查找同型局”点击开。

方法二：http://www.ok667.net/zqhuang/showlist.php

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 10:14:36

黄正先生的大作，P20——21，有两局增加一个黑卒的局面，都是黑胜。 P20（黑胜） [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957994799899979456399624199999999309999999917609958482755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]新月挂印[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4131303189813130815160407976404751503031764647454647171950514541514131414746555657471949[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] P21（古例可和，现例红胜） [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957994799899979646399624199999999309999999917609958482755[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]新月挂印[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]413130408986605062525556865650565251171547251517254717154725[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 10:25:15

时鑫老师，有个棋谱搜索方法，操作如下：方法一：点楼上动态棋盘（如何一个有网的东萍棋盘皆可）的右下角 ...[/quote] 谢谢667老师！我要慢慢学习。预祝您五一快乐！

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 10:26:41

经667老师的提醒，我又查到一局。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957994799899979996362454199999999309999999917600927485599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-1-10 0:10:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-1-10 0:10:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]将军挂印09[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]41313031898131307959556581866063868030318083636483846463848363648388643488483437476527285758171859393141625237674544676844436848525141404342484658571810394928384232465632311015494515655141405031306560304060404540384840100919101556551535192935365556[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_1]373045443040525141424434404839494838654738483433180847254838585738363343423257473646494608044676044476720919724244345141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_2]37674838314139496747585728385747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3]656688482728472566675747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]2737888464638483636459393727833331413936[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_5]843431416252656634646667646727284765176757472838595663735676[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_6]62616343863630403616656616662737[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_7]861627371610303110176566[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_8]4544630386066566066603076616273716173747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_9]8636304062526303360665660666030766604041525141316010273710173747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_10]8616630316176566171030314725666757470343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_11]6050815150405955404751503031501017071000071700072737454417274443474507273727574748585557[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_12]55458185606385456303450503436252[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_13]815160407976404776464745464745254717273717273040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_13] [DhtmlXQ_move_13_10_14]47375747485847575868574727284748171848475545514168584757584857472838463637274111454647573040[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_10_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_21_15]46364546473746363747363747571817[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_21_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_19_16]4849685851555848495918195550303150102829101909194544293944433727[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_19_16] [DhtmlXQ_move_14_11_17]511137361117271757474858[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_11_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_18]795960506252556563536566898131308161666761672728472517675747283845445070[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_18] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_19]30407959605062525545524245556353[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_19] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_20]89866050625255568656505679395626524227283937262742321737[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_21]797060638939273739376333[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_21] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_22]795960506252554552424546[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_22] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]339[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_class]江湖残局[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_event]将军挂印系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_round]将军挂印[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]217[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]5632990[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]红另有三种着法均负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment62]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment62] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_9]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_9] [/DhtmlXQ]

667 · 发表于 2015-4-30 13:06:02

http://www.dpxq.com/hldcg/search ... B%BE%FC%B9%D2%D3%A1

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-4-30 14:04:31

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古婺 · 发表于 2015-4-30 16:30:22

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 16:30:48

谢谢您一杯红酒好友！您的该局很精彩！关于添加黑卒，我有几个思路，您的这局和我的思路很相似（我没加黑3.3位卒），我只是即兴思路。您是付出了很大精力！敬佩！

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-4-30 16:40:33

10楼可能黑胜：[/quote] 谢谢您的精彩分享！探讨新的着法，启迪新的局面。为华工和排局事业尽我的一份力努力，我渴盼！

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-5-1 01:26:07

古婺发表于 2015-4-30 16:30
10楼可能黑胜：

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凌云子 · 发表于 2015-5-1 13:51:03

http://hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php ... %3D23%26typeid%3D23

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-5-1 15:55:31

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邢春波 · 发表于 2015-5-1 20:55:44

本帖最后由邢春波于 2015-5-1 21:51 编辑

这是我的修订局
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-5-1 21:33:27

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-5-1 22:05:36

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-5-2 20:56:47

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-5-7 05:25 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2015-5-1 21:33
好像黑勝

谢谢您的精彩解拆！我发这个帖子，预想的是红方五个兵（新月形）的位置不作变动（如：1楼、3楼、4楼、18楼）。

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-5-2 22:23:20

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-5-3 17:20:24

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-5-7 05:25 编辑

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-5-3 22:50:32

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-5-4 10:59:19

聨吟客发表于 2015-5-3 22:50
我也有了想法, 呵呵呵,另外百25有我的五卒掛印局

谢谢您！我试解好像是黑胜。请您指正。

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-5-4 11:10:00

您在百25第206页的大作贴上，谢谢您的提示。

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-5-4 11:15:40

聨吟客发表于 2015-5-2 22:23
6樓第2局,規則判決應是紅勝

6樓第2局,規則判決應是紅勝，我已经改过来了。谢谢您。

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-5-4 11:16:49

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-5-4 11:31:00

一杯红酒发表于 2015-5-4 11:16

谢谢您！棋图很美！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-5-5 11:59:05

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-5-5 12:15:51

楼上尾盘循环局面，个人觉得是黑单方长打，不变判红胜！

这种循环局面确实需要讨论明确呀！

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