新拟的和局请改进。谢谢!

sdndsx

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聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-2 00:24
8樓先弄一變,不一定正確,以待各位修正補充

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[DhtmlXQ_comment10]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
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一杯红酒 发表于 2015-9-2 00:45

谢谢联吟客老师！我1楼贴图时，误把黑车贴成了红车。对不起！
您在5楼的棋图才是正确的。
谢谢一杯红酒老师！

最先拟出的是下面这局：
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后改成的棋图：
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sdndsx

各位老师：昨天20150901 22:25 发帖时刚刚下班回到家（还发错了），我把发这个主题帖的前因后果说一下。
先说12楼：2局都可成和。哪为什么还要把上图改成下图？

因为上图的尾盘，如果黑方就是不用双卒换一红车，会出现僵持局面。

改成下图为什么还要老师们改进？

原因有2：
1 尾盘红马吃掉黑车，会怎样？
2 红方吃掉黑车也可以在黑边象位吗？

sdndsx

其实，我当初是想新拟一则我钟爱的将帅和。

为了说明我的思路，以下局面全都不能成立。我设想的很丰满，但结果是很骨感。

将帅和最初的想法：

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sdndsx

梦想被击破：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]车三退一！！||见20楼[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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当然，红方还有更加快捷的速胜法。见注解。

sdndsx

我想15楼的尾盘也不错，能不能利用一下。我就开始了改拟的苦旅（反复增删或调整子力位置，特别是黑卒的位置），直到现在没能成功。

暂时改变一下吧，于是就产生了12楼的2个局面。

一杯红酒

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sdndsx

聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-2 12:04
15樓添卒可否?

联吟客老师：这个局面我也试过，是红胜。当红车吃掉黑车后，黑方要遮挡红帅露脸。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]改成这样应该可以正和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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      形成的尾盘局面，有未知性，也就是可以在尾盘阶段让客户任选红黑，摊主（仔细研究过的）几乎都有把握赢到客户，如果尾盘一方明显无胜局，或守和有较明显的走法、道理、成例，这尾盘就不是好的尾盘，或者达不到红黑任选，和棋算客户胜的要求！

★星海★

聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-4 17:02

11回合可走将5退1

邢春波

sdndsx 发表于 2015-9-2 08:16
梦想被击破：

这样修改可维持14楼着法，但形不成将帅和棋的想法。
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