我拟的三战吕布

afool · 发表于 2009-3-29 11:08:22

与古谱中的三战内容并不相同,个人也取不好名字.排局还在初步探索,我自己也没有完善的着法,希望大家帮忙改进.谢谢. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]520,450[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_binit]83nnnnnn39nnnnnnnnnnnnnn2244nn52nnnnnnnn404164nn48nn5136nnnn5868[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]我拟的三战吕布[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]afool[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]希望大家给出完善的解法并对排局的不足修改.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhaodi · 发表于 2009-3-29 18:04:42

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afool · 发表于 2009-3-29 22:33:21

以下是我的着法（还很不完善），希望大家补充修正。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]520,450[/DhtmlXQ_init] 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[DhtmlXQ_comment129]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment129] [DhtmlXQ_comment135]红胜定.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment135] [DhtmlXQ_comment141]这是复杂的黑退车变化,红并不好走.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment141] [DhtmlXQ_comment142]决一雌雄,复杂化.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment142] [DhtmlXQ_comment155]黑巧杀!||[/DhtmlXQ_comment155] [DhtmlXQ_comment161]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment161] [DhtmlXQ_comment167]黑胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment167] [DhtmlXQ_comment168]错误的进卒.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment168] [DhtmlXQ_comment173]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment173] [DhtmlXQ_comment181]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment181] [DhtmlXQ_comment190]一将一闲,不变作和,从主变来看,这种选择稍为消极.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment190] [DhtmlXQ_comment198]红胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment198] [DhtmlXQ_comment216]黑胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment216] [DhtmlXQ_comment222]黑胜定.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment222] [DhtmlXQ_comment228]红侥幸胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment228] [DhtmlXQ_comment238]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment238] [DhtmlXQ_comment250]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment250] [DhtmlXQ_comment256]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment256] [DhtmlXQ_comment264]黑胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment264] [DhtmlXQ_comment276]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment276] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhaodi · 发表于 2009-3-29 23:24:48

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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_31]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_15]红胜定.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_15] [DhtmlXQ_comment14]这是复杂的黑退车变化,红并不好走.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_comment27_28]黑巧杀!||[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_27]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_24]黑胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_16]错误的进卒.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_21]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment26_23]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_23]一将一闲,不变作和,从主变来看,这种选择稍为消极.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_15]红胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_15] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_24]黑胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_20]黑胜定.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_15]红侥幸胜.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_15] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_14]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_14] 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afool · 发表于 2009-3-30 10:20:47

谢谢版主的帮忙！红的岔道口是第五回合平兵或者进兵。前者是个人的初衷，也是本人认为的正着；后者是最直观的进攻，从实践看，后者不甚理想，或者利用规则简单谋和，或者进入复杂的局面，红多不理想。第八回合红平兵决战的确劣着，但本人所拟黑的应付法很不理想，多谢版主帮了忙，也希望大家帮助把黑退车复杂变化早日完善。我排这个局的本意就是形成红车兵对黑三卒高象的局面，目前我只对黑将5平4一支做了浅显的研究，也未能确定最后的结果，这也是我寻求大家帮忙的原因。我拟的主变第十一回合后黑是否能谋和？红有没有精妙的胜法？至少，如此变，红方终究主动，可能有胜机，比前面简单谋和好。

wolaikk · 发表于 2009-3-30 12:25:17

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wolaikk · 发表于 2009-3-30 12:39:46

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wolaikk · 发表于 2009-3-30 12:53:51

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afool · 发表于 2009-3-30 12:57:44

多谢6楼帮忙，不过我默认的是国内规则。再说红本来就有简单谋和的变化，看看黑最努力顽抗下红能不能胜？

afool · 发表于 2009-4-10 11:46:36

至今也没有完整答案，希望白老师等帮忙，谢谢。

dave7788 · 发表于 2009-4-10 14:03:27

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-4-10 14:10:28

【主变: 和】 1. 兵四进一将６平５ 2. 车四平一将５平４ ① 3. 车一平六 ② 将４平５ 4. 车六平五 ③ 将５平４ ④ 5. 车五平六将４平５ 6. 车六平二将５平４ 7. 车二进三将４进１ 8. 兵五平六 ⑤ 车５平３ 9. 兵七进一车３退７ 10. 兵四平五将４平５ 11. 车二退一将５退１ 12. 车二平七卒６平５ 13. 车七退六卒７平６ 14. 车七平五将５平４ ⑥ 15. 兵六进一将４进１ 16. 兵六平五将４平５ ⑦ 17. 兵五平四将５平６ 18. 兵四平三象７退５ 19. 兵三进一象５进３ 20. 车五平四将６平５ 21. 车四平五将５平６ 22. 兵三平二象３退５ 23. 兵二平三象５进３变①接主变第2回合 2. ………… 象７退９ 3. 车一进一将５平４ ⑧ 4. 车一进二士５退６ 5. 兵七平六红胜变②接主变第3回合 3. 兵四平五车５平４ 4. 帅六进一卒４进１ 5. 帅六退一卒４进１ 6. 帅六平五卒４进１黑胜变③接主变第4回合 4. 车六进二车５退４ 5. 车六退五 ⑨ 士５进４ 6. 车六进四车５进５ 7. 帅六进一卒６平５ 8. 帅六进一车５平４黑胜变④接主变第4回合 4. ………… 象７退５ 5. 兵七平六卒４进１ ⑩ 6. 兵四平五将５进１ 7. 兵六平五将５退１ 8. 前兵进一将５平４ 9. 车五平六红胜变⑤接主变第8回合 8. 兵七进一将４进１ 9. 车二退二象７退５ 10. 兵五平六车５退５ 11. 车二进二 ? 象５进７ 12. 车二退二象７退５ 13. 车二进二象５进７ 14. 车二退二象７退５和变⑥接主变第14回合 14. ………… 将５平６ 15. 兵六进一将６进１ 16. 兵六进一卒４平３ 17. 车五平六卒３平２ 18. 车六平三卒２平３ 19. 车三进三红胜变⑦接主变第16回合 16. ………… 将４进１ 17. 车五进三卒５平４ 18. 帅六平五前卒平５ 19. 帅五平六卒５平４ 20. 帅六平五将４退１ 21. 车五平三前卒平５ 22. 帅五平六卒４进１ 23. 车三平六将４平５ 24. 车六退三卒６进１ 25. 兵五进一将５进１ 26. 车六平五将５平６ 27. 车五退一红胜（8楼误作和）变⑧接变①第3回合 3. ………… 士５退６ 4. 车一进二将５平４ 5. 兵七平六红胜变⑨接变③第5回合 5. 兵七进一士５进４ 6. 兵四进一将５平６ 7. 车六退一将６平５ 8. 车六退四车５进５ 9. 帅六进一卒６平５ 10. 帅六进一车５平４黑胜变⑩接变④第5回合 5. ………… 士５进４ 6. 车五进一将５平４ 7. 车五平六将４平５ 8. 车六退四红红胜变?接变⑤第11回合 11. 兵四平五车５平３ 12. 车二进二象５退７ 13. 车二退二象７进５ 14. 车二进二象５退７ 15. 兵五平四车３进６ 16. 帅六进一车３退８ 17. 车二退二将４退１ 18. 兵四平五将４平５ 19. 车二进一将５退１ 20. 车二平七卒６平５ 21. 帅六退一卒４进１ 22. 车七退七卒５进１黑胜

afool · 发表于 2009-4-10 14:34:24

多谢白老师,辛苦了!

局型的修改也可以,有空我仔细研读,好能早日定型,虽然不是什么精美的作品,也是我排局创作的第一步,如果能奉献给棋迷并得到认同,我心愿足矣. 自己的布局尚不能做出完整答案,呵呵......汗颜.

dave7788 · 发表于 2009-4-10 14:44:44

原帖由 afool 于 2009-4-10 14:34 发表多谢白老师,辛苦了! 局型的修改也可以,有空我仔细研读,好能早日定型,虽然不是什么精美的作品,也是我排局创作的第一步,如果能奉献给棋迷并得到认同,我心愿足矣. 自己的布局尚不能做出完整答案,呵呵......汗 ...

第一步很好啊！我开始时远不如你的，祝你进步！局型我仅稍改，意思是红第一招以不吃子为好（个人的见解，也许吃不吃都可以）。

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