坚强后盾

棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-6 11:47:37

在红方连照杀的排局中，如果红方一个车始终没有投入战斗，很可能被认为是冗子或半冗子。不过，我历来不太同意半冗子的说法，因为设立红子，只要有其重要作用，都不是冗子。所以我认为，最好不以是否走动过为划定是否是冗子的界线。而红子的作用除了直接投入战斗外，还有隔断、占位、牵制等等。而牵制是出现得最少的。也就是说由于红方的某个子的存在，它牵制了黑方的部分子力，使得黑方被牵制的子力不能随便走动，从而削弱黑方的防守力量，彰显出红子的重要作用。那么，红方的这种子是不是发挥了作用，用什么尺度去衡量，去检验呢。我认为可以用“取消法”来进行验证，即将该子进行取消来验证，取消后杀局不成立了，或者说取消后杀局的质量大大降低了（比方原有50回合，取消该子后虽然杀局成立，但减少了数回合），都说明该子发挥了重要作用，不是冗子。相反，如果取消后一点影响都没有，那这样的子就是冗子。凡是冗子都应该取消，凡有作用的子都可以保留。而既然不是冗子，也不必称之为半冗子。本局中的红三路底线车，就在本局中起到坚强后盾的作用，因为它牵制了黑7路卒的行动，使之不能擅离职守，削弱了黑方的防守力量，最终形成红连照杀。如果取消红三路后车，黑7路卒，就能发挥很好的防守作用，红就无法取胜。所以针对红车的这一特点，本局取名“坚强后盾”。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6301994849999981692527224224345408339999519999737862534335653858[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]6353[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-6 19:28:18

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-7 10:23:35

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高原红 · 发表于 2010-3-7 11:38:46

“而牵制是出现得最少的”？？？因牵制战术在排局中的运用并不少。可否改为“如牵制战术在排局中的运用，对评价是否是冗子或半冗子有更新、更深刻的认识”或应从新去理性的分柝和评价关于半冗子的问题。对否供你参考！！

棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-7 15:17:28

[quote]“而牵制是出现得最少的”？？？因牵制战术在排局中的运用并不少。可否改为“如牵制战术在排局中的运用，对 ... 我是针对这种特殊的牵制而言的，事实上象本局这样，红方用大子来牵制黑方的一卒，而红大子始终没有走动，这样的情况是很少的。

高原红 · 发表于 2010-3-7 16:04:17

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yanyun · 发表于 2010-3-7 16:38:45

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yanyun · 发表于 2010-3-7 19:51:55

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-7 19:54:08

6楼,所举的例子与我所局中的情况基本上不一样.

高原红 · 发表于 2010-3-7 20:00:46

所举例都符合你“牵制”的定义啊！

棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-7 20:46:25

其实,我在局中表现的是:1,黑方被牵制的子不能随便走动(黑7路卒),否则就会放出一只虎;2,由于黑方被牵制的子没有随便走动,就关住了红方的一个大子(三路底车),使红方一个强大的子力始终没有走动.因此,我认为是红三路底车牵制了黑7路卒.红方的这个车就是坚强后盾. 6楼的例子都有区别,比如<路漫漫>,红五路车的作用更符合暗根子,是保护红炮的.<按兵不动>一局的红兵好象并不存在牵制黑方的哪颗子,它的作用只是当黑将在6路底线时,可以为照将做杀出力.所以虽然有未走动的红子,但与我局中的情况不一样. 应该说红方设子的作用很多,有的是隔断,有的是占位,有的是控位(控制一个点或者一个区域),有的是牵制,还有的就是储备一份力量等等,但凡是起了作用的就不是冗子,也没有必要称为半冗子.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-7 21:10:52

7楼未动的兵起隔断(黑车)的作用;8楼未动的兵就是一个储备子力,都发挥了重要作用,是不可消减的,都不是冗子.但不是起牵制作用的.

yanyun · 发表于 2010-3-8 13:44:32

连照胜排局中，红方的某一棋子在主变着法里没有走动，但有必要的作用，不论是制约对方或己方，不能说是冗子，但是多数人认为是“半冗子”。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-11 09:57:34

本帖最后由棋人ctq 于 2010-3-11 10:23 编辑

下局（惊涛拍岸提高局）中红二路兵，在整个做杀过程中未走动一步，它的作用是占位，由于有它的存在，红马在做杀时其步伐受它占位的影响，马不能踏到此点，必须迂回进攻，从而增加了难度（增加了着数）。如果去掉它,红18回合就取胜。所以红二路兵的作用是很明显的。不是冗子，至于叫半冗子的说法，大家习惯怎么叫就怎么叫，我不喜欢这么叫。

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2010-3-11 10:39:02

本帖最后由棋人ctq 于 2010-3-11 10:41 编辑

二路的红兵使棋局增加了56回合！可见适当的设子进行占位多么重要。如果把这颗子叫半冗子，实在抹杀它的功劳。

hujing0816 · 发表于 2010-3-11 16:48:58

就叫“铁兵”吧！好听一些

一二三加油 · 发表于 2010-3-27 18:22:41

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yanyun · 发表于 2010-3-27 22:06:37

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