整理一下“渭水钓鱼”

dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-22 12:16:56

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999889978999999634199999999309942995099139999993846[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]渭水钓鱼（红先和）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7873383949481314888414646353[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment7]形成附图1的局面，黑有车6进3与车6平7两种走法，均为和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7][DhtmlXQ_comment0]《湖涯集》第27局。《蕉竹斋》97局本第8局“小钓鱼”棋图中黑炮在3路，实质相同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]787050588858383949481343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]黑胜（《蕉竹斋》变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2]6353506078683839495960505958505358481343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_10]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_5_3]4948606748584647[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_5_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_4]1454636254646252506048584647848164617363605052515070816142646160706063616070413130405141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_10_5]5052848064608085[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_10_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]6362505784804260737060427077426062526444[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_16] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-22 12:52:20

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999849973999999534199999999309942995099649999993946[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]渭水钓鱼（附图1 黑车6进3）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]505384806460808553337378606885806860808560508515508015758050751550807888333715454647454737474847[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]《蕉竹斋》的走法，《湖涯集》是走车6平7。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment3]附图2。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3] [DhtmlXQ_comment4]还可以走车一退七，也是和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]846446474847534347574264[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]8555464748473343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_3]854546564542565742445040414030314441313241443949484957587879333840303848444858484948[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]原谱主着法，不如车一平八稳妥。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_13]改走炮6进3较好！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4]4220154550594546594946264941262030317871414220213130214133434858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_5]3336414030314050465645413132414032317870364640465646[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment24]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6]465645554260555637325651324248584232516160426151[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32][DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]此着是余俊瑞先生指出的！《象棋流行排局精选》上是走车五进三，卒6进1，兵五平四，车4平5，车五退五，卒6平5，帅五进一，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_22] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-22 13:06:01

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999809973999999994199999999309942995399609999993946[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]渭水钓鱼（附图2 红车一退七）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]80875333737860508717422017672042671742201767204267574656574733364742364642465646[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment5]《象棋流行排局精选》误认为这是劣败着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5] [DhtmlXQ_comment20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]534387374636374743474847[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_6_2]437347446063444273784847363747573747574778384252[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_6_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_6]《象棋流行排局精选》以此为正着，大错。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]原着法是误走车五平六？当胜不胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_3]17105080788833431011464748584353[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_4]171150521131333141313031[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_12] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-22 14:17:01

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999849973999999534199999999309942995099649999993946[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]渭水钓鱼（附图1 黑车6平7）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5060415164444858464753634264848760638747635347574454584853515737513137313031[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment19]和（《蕉竹斋》变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]4858464741516434843430407363608063688087345487675150404153526768585939495949474849396869[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_6_2]536360638480303173713132[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_6_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_11][DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_3]515060503454508073788060[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_13]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_13][DhtmlXQ_comment3]如炮7平6比较复杂，详见附图3的变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_4]73636070636870788480303180603949535244645141314152424142606442416461414061644041646141406164[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_9_5]44745352422451412442525139496861744441313040616844438482[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_9_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_22]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_22] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_14_6]60657874655544545535543435557479[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_14_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]有诠注本以此着为和棋正着，大错！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14][DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21][DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]致胜之着！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_15] [/DhtmlXQ]

yjr123 · 发表于 2010-9-22 16:50:47

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999849973999999534199999999309942995099649999993946[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]渭水钓鱼（附图1 黑车6进3）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]5053848064608085533373786068858068608085605085155080157580507515508078883337154546564555[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]《蕉竹斋》的走法，《湖涯集》是走车6平7。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]附图2。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]还可以走车一退七，也是和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]846446474847534347574264[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]8555464748473343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_3]854546564542565742445040414030314441313241443949484957587879333840303848444858484948[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]原谱主着法，不如车一平八稳妥。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_13]改走炮6进3较好！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4]4220154550594546594946264941262030317871414220213130214133434858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_5]3336414030314050465645413132414032317870364640465646[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_6]4542565741513747424757474847[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_6][DhtmlXQ_comment22]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
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dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-22 17:19:44

有道理，卒5平6？（应改走卒5进1）车五平四！为方便阅读，已将余先生的意见编辑进2楼原帖之中了。

dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-22 17:41:12

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999849973999999535199999999309942996099649999993946[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]渭水钓鱼（附图3 ）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]64545363426473746040848146474858547451414050815150514151[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment14]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14][DhtmlXQ_comment0]附图3，黑如炮7平6则变化如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment1]《湖涯集》的主着法，《蕉竹斋》无此变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1]606384803031737131328030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]红胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_8][DhtmlXQ_comment4]如车一平三去象，请阅附图4的变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_2]606384803031747131328040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_10]红胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_3]547484854647484760404757404463537470535244348575706075456040455540705141705041515070[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_6]原谱变着至此结束，红胜，欠妥因续走：[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_6][DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_4]648284825444485860638232304032424030424463685859686744544647747967695958696858594748793930405444403044543040544440304454[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_5]7454464748584046[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_6]8487465687474047484754745141747947487949485849476353564641513031536347276362272162614647[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_6]这是原谱主着法，最后成和。《象棋流行排局精选》续走：[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_7][DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-22 18:48:45

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999849973999999635199999999309964996099549999993946[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]渭水钓鱼（附图4）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]84646080737880876454464748588767636239495434304034444030444767477870477770807787807087885857888070718070626130315747313251414939474870806151808848478878716178686171686971706960707160697170694947574946704046565747[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]附图4，红如车一平三则所见到的多种书谱均认为是劣败之着，但无论胜和，其所列着法是有问题的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]67685859394959496869545947484948695962615956787030317050564648583132585932425958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_2]514167685859394959496869545947484948695963625956[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3]303162613132705047465857467657477646475732426171467671817679516179766151[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_35] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_4]7050777658487646485830406261467658577679[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_5]80503040625287895242895958485951[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_6]8886626186767080303180503132574776464757324261714676718176795161[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_31_7]71617679[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_31_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment8]正着！以前的书谱是误走车9平8速胜的，其实全都忽略了红接走帅四退一之妙着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8] [/DhtmlXQ]

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